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    Default European Maternal ancestry in South Brazil

    Higher than i expected to be honest

    Close to 64% of the pop have european maternal haplogroups

    The 63.8% of mtDNA lineages of European ancestry found in our study is notably higher than the overall frequency reported by Alves-Silva et al.[3] for the Brazilian population (39.0%) and, at the sametime, is very similar to the frequency estimated in thesame study for the southern part of the country (66.0%).

    The African haplogroups L0, L1, L2, and L3 were alsorelatively common in Santa Catarina (15.0%). African haplogroups arrived in the New World with the slave tradefrom the sixteenth century onwards [36,37]. The frequencyof African haplogroups in Brazilians from Santa Catarinawas lower than in the Brazilian population as a whole(28.0%), but similar to that estimated for the wholesouthern part of the country (12.0%) [3].

    The four Native American haplogroups (A, B, C, and D)appeared well represented in Santa Catarina with a totalfrequency of 21.3% (Table 2), practically identical to thatestimated by Alves-Silva et al. [3] for Southern Brazil(22.0%).

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...European_input

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    So basically, Indian and African mtDNA is located in place where Slaves landed off and worked for the second, and early area of portuguese exploration for the first ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Rolland View Post
    So basically, Indian and African mtDNA is located in place where Slaves landed off and worked for the second, and early area of portuguese exploration for the first ?
    More of less something like that
    The south was settled in a different way,many couples arrived in the 18th century.
    That's certainly one the reasons for the higher european maternal input,it is not only because of the 19th-20th century immigration.


    "The impact of Azorean immigration to southern Brazil was so strong that in 1780 the Azoreans accounted for 55% of the entire population of the captaincy of Rio Grande do Sul.[35] The fertility of Azorean couples was enormous. Rare was the couple that did not have more than six children. Some, like one Lopes, reached the fabulous number of twenty-one children; that of a Manuel Jacintho, that of thirty children, fifteen from each of the women he was married to.[36]
    The Azorean from the South to the South of Brazil was so strong that in 1780 the Azonos accounted for 5% of the entire population of the captaincy of Rio Grande.[35] The fertility of Azorean couples was enormous. Rare was the couple that did not have more than six children. Some, like one Lopes, reach a fabulous figure of twenty-one children; that of a Manuel Jacintho, that of thirty children, fifteen from each of the women he was married to.[36]"

    A study from the northeast region who is the oldest region of the country and one of the main destinations of slaves show a very different pattern
    "Overall, results showed that the population of the Northeastern region of Brazil has Amerindian mitochondrial ancestry as the most frequent, representing 43.5% of the individuals, followed by African (37.8%), European (16.6%), and non-Amerindian Asian (2.1%) (Table 2)."

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    Yeah that's a lot, what's the region with the most euro in mtDNA in latam?
    If i remember correctly, the mt in Paraguay is about 90 amerindian.
    Spoiler!

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    My maternal halogroup is K and I'm southern brazilian from Santa Catarina. I'm sure african and ameridian maternal lineages are more common in Rio Grande do Sul and Paraná.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    My maternal halogroup is K and I'm southern brazilian from Santa Catarina. I'm sure african and ameridian maternal lineages are more common in Rio Grande do Sul and Paraná.
    And your Y-DNA bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloGuys View Post
    And your Y-DNA bro?
    What's up? My paternal one is E, but I don't know what variant it is. I asked Token (brazilian member, he knows a lot about this topic) and he told me that there's some variants of the E lineages, some E lineages arrived in Iberia during the roman times via North Africa (E-M81), and the other branch (E-V13) came from the Balkans since lot of roman soldiers from Balkans settled in Iberia.

    The same is true about my maternal halogroup. It's K, but there's two K clusters: one belongs to the indo-european branch and the other branch is anatolian and I don't know for sure what's mine.

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    I find kinda funny that the native haplos are a b c d.I wonder if that was an accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    What's up? My paternal one is E, but I don't know what variant it is. I asked Token (brazilian member, he knows a lot about this topic) and he told me that there's some variants of the E lineages, some E lineages arrived in Iberia during the roman times via North Africa (E-M81), and the other branch (E-V13) came from the Balkans since lot of roman soldiers from Balkans settled in Iberia.

    The same is true about my maternal halogroup. It's K, but there's two K clusters: one belongs to the indo-european branch and the other branch is anatolian and I don't know for sure what's mine.
    Oh yeah, trying to figure out a mtdna if is MENA or European is hard due they don't mutate often like the Y-DNA does (In addition to the genetic flow that men have left over time since they were the most daring to go to other lands and stuff like that).

    Can I know what DNA test did you do to know your Y-DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paraguayo HFD View Post
    Yeah that's a lot, what's the region with the most euro in mtDNA in latam?
    If i remember correctly, the mt in Paraguay is about 90 amerindian.
    This study from Santa Catarina is the study that shows that highest % of european mtDNA that i have ever seen from LATAM.
    There is another study from Argentina that also shows a large euro mtDNA contribution,like 50% if i recall exactly.

    The countryside of southern brazil is probably the area with the largest influence of euro mtDNA if i had to guess,there are cities that were literally founded by germans and italians(many of them brought woman with them)

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