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The Carians were of the same descend as the Tyrrhenians and Mysians. They were Maonians.Originally Posted by zebruh
Herodotus dates the Eponymous ancestor of the Carians to the time of the famine caused by the Thera Eruption and later Pausanius makes them decendents of Phoroneus.
In 1110 BC Tiglath Pilasr I invaded Caria and decimated the Carians and razed Caria it to the ground which made way for the Ionian migration. But Minoan kings were ruling Caria long before that. Asterius was ruling over Caria in 1450 BC.
The Danaoi and Leleges do not appear until after the Hyksos were destroyed. They were Inachid Greeks who came to Asia-Minor and the Peloponnese from Egypt.
[Paus 3.1.1] According to the tradition of the Lacedaemonians themselves, Lelex, an aboriginal was the first king in this land (1530 BC), after whom his subjects were named Leleges. Lelex had a son Myles, and a younger one Polycaon.
[Paus 1.44.1] There is a citadel here [in Nisaea], which also is called Nisaea. Below the citadel near the sea is the tomb of Lelex, who they say arrived from Egypt and became king, being the son of Poseidon and of Libya daughter of Epaphus.
[Pausanius. 1.39.6] In the twelfth generation after Car the son of Phoroneus (1658 BC) the Megarians say that Lelex arrived from Egypt and became king, and that in his reign the tribe Leleges received its name. (c.1370 BC)
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Greeks come from three dna lineages, the indigenous Ursula lineage and its husband Y-dna lineage J2 which is 45,000 years old, the E-V13 and J2 farmer lineage that arrived to Greece 10,000 years ago, and finally the Steppe lineage R1 which arrived to the Balkans 5000 years ago, and to a lesser degree from I2 lineage.
So classical Greeks were all of these lineages. The Greeks, Illyrians and Thracians were the only people in Europe of mixed lineages.
Prior to 1200 BC the Celts were a single undiluted tribal grouping carrying the R1 lineage who came from Iberia. Prior to 200 BC the Germanics were single undiluted tribal grouping carrying the I lineage who came from Cimmeria. Prior to 600 BC the Slavs undiluted tribal grouping carrying the R1ba lineage who came from Central Asia.
When using the term Germanic I am using Tacitus definition of who they were in his time NOT who you think they are now since today the people of Germany are mixed with the Celts whose land the seized.
In respect of the Slavs I am referring to Cyril and Methoditus historic account and not to the Poles or Croats of today who are of nearly 50/50 of mixed Slav and Germanic linages, and in respect of the Celts I am using Apollonius historic account of who the were an not to any modern mixed lineages.
The inhabitants of Greece were already of mixed lineages since Minoan times so reference to them by the terms Pelasgians, Xuthians, Aeolians, Dorians, is required when referring to the colonisations which occurred during this and the Mycenaean period.
For example, it is the Germanic identifying marker and apears in all the places the Germanic tribe are recorded to have been amongst the markers of the earlier inhabitants. The fact that Tacitus said all the Germanics looked the same indicates that they were an unmixed racial group up until Roman times which is when they subsumed the Celts in what is now Germany and thus formed what became the Anglo-Saxon tribes.
In the Balkans the Germanics remained mostly untainted except by the 3 main markers of the Greeks and Illyrians to about 20% until the Slavs came along in 600 AD. There is a grater proportion of the I marker in the Croats than in Germany, so its no wonder they are so big fans of the Germans.
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Mitochondrial DNA analysis shows conclusively and irrefutably the existence of the races the were known to anthropologists of the 1800's and that were documented from early Greek and Roman times.
Europe's seven female founders
DNA from outside the cell nucleus was used in the study
Everyone in Europe is descended from just seven women. Arriving at different times during the last 45,000 years, they survived wolves, bears and ice ages to form different clans that eventually became today's population.
These are the claims of Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University.
Calling them "The Seven Daughters of Eve", Professor Sykes has individually named them Ursula, Xenia, Tara, Helena, Katrine, Valda and Jasmine.
Professor Sykes arrived at his conclusion by studying mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down from mothers to children.
Europe's 10 founding 'fathers'
More than 95% of European men alive today are descended from 10 ancient groups of forefathers, according to new genetic evidence. Scientists believe that 80% of European men inherited their Y chromosomes from primitive hunter-gatherers who lived up to 40,000 years ago.
The other male ancestors are likely to have been migrants who arrived in Europe from the Near East about 10,000 years ago bringing with them farming technology.
The evidence comes from a new study of the male (Y) chromosome, which is passed only from father to son and can be used to trace paternal ancestry.
Genetic markers
An international research team studied genetic information from the Y chromosomes of more than 1,000 men from 25 communities across Europe and the Middle East.
Genetic tests revealed that 95% of the men could be grouped into 10 different categories, each representing a different paternal lineage.
Ornella Semino, a geneticist at the University of Pavia, Italy, and lead author of the Y chromosome research said the results showed "that about 80% of the European Y chromosomes trace back to Paleolithic ancestors and about 20% to the Neolithic farmers".
She said that most European men alive today would be able to trace their genetic roots by analysis of these Y chromosome markers.
Last glacial
The scientists, from eight European countries and the US, believe the male ancestors arrived in separate waves of migration.
The first two waves of migration into Europe happened during the Paleolithic period (25,000 to 40,000 years ago).
The other 20% of founding fathers probably arrived in one migration during the Neolithic period, about 10,000 years ago.
The settlers would have formed different clans, isolated by geographical features and glaciers.
But the advent of farming and the melting glaciers as the continent's climate warmed enabled the different groups to mingle.
Ancient settlers
The new data adds to previous evidence that modern European populations arose from the merging of local Paleolithic groups and Neolithic farmers arriving from the Near East after the invention of agriculture.
But scientists have debated whether it was local hunter-gatherers or newcomers bringing farming technology who passed on more of their genes.
The Y chromosome evidence suggests that the genetic template of modern European men was set by the hunter-gatherers as early as 40,000 years ago. Most modern European men still bear their genetic signature.
But the male gene pool was modified with the arrival of Neolithic farmers about 10,000 years ago.
Similar studies of mitochondrial DNA, a scrap of genetic material that is passed from mother to child, have traced the maternal ancestry of modern European women.
The Y chromosome data is "strikingly similar" to new findings on mitochondrial DNA said evolutionary geneticist Martin Richards of the University of Huddersfield, UK.
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The entire study is just using EHG to elevate CHG and hide Steppe component. The Sicily Study put Himeran Greek soldiers at 18% Steppe, and I think only around 6% Iran_N (maybe a bit more if you use CHG? Definitely under 10%). Mycenaeans were basically genetically the same, maybe a little bit less steppe and a little bit more CHG on average but definitely not averaging over 15% CHG.
The primary reason they did this was to throw out any trace Steppe DNA found in Anatolians (which I have seen quite strongly verified both with qp and G25 when it comes to some of the Kaman-Kalehoyuk samples). I think this was not entirely malicious as trace steppe signals may be unreliable, but it was a bit skeevy of them. Mycenaeans got caught in the crossfire
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The major reason they used EHG is because w/o it you can't trace Yamnaya ancestry, it's an integral component its absence of which signifies the lack of the Steppe.
Another reason they used EHG for Greece and not a Steppe sample like Samara is because the Balkan_HG was found to act as a 'stand-in' replacement for EHG when thrown in the mix of Yamnaya_Samara (even the little bit that there is), thus artificially inflating the Steppe component. Balkan_HGs were never part of the Yamnaya mix so their methodology is correct.
Also, just pure lulz at citing a closed source platform like g25 and its fringe authors as some sort of an argument against Harvard peer review of such magnitude.
TLDR: You're just salty.
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What is Maonians?
This is what it says about the Carians, They were always from Anatolia. They werent Inachid greeks
Milas (Ancient Greek: Μύλασα, Mylasa) is an ancient city and the seat of the district of the same name in Muğla Province in southwestern Turkey.Harpagus, after subjugating Ionia, made an expedition against the Carians, Caunians, and Lycians, taking Ionians
and Aeolians with him. [2] Of these, the Carians have come to the mainland from the islands; for in the past they
were islanders, called Leleges and under the rule of Minos, not (as far as I can learn by report) paying tribute, but
manning ships for him when he needed them. [3] Since Minos had subjected a good deal of territory for himself and
was victorious in war, this made the Carians too at that time by far the most respected of all nations. [4] They
invented three things in which they were followed by the Greeks: it was the Carians who originated wearing crests
on their helmets and devices on their shields, and who first made grips for their shields; until then all who used
shields carried them without these grips, and guided them with leather belts which they slung round the neck and
over the left shoulder.60* [5] Then, a long time afterwards, the Carians were driven from the islands by Dorians and
Ionians and so came to the mainland. This is the Cretan story about the Carians; but the Carians themselves do not
subscribe to it, but believe that they are aboriginal inhabitants of the mainland and always bore the name which they
bear now; [6] and they point to an ancient shrine of Carian Zeus at Mylasa, to which Mysians and Lydians, as
brethren of the Carians (for Lydus and Mysus, they say, were brothers of Car), are admitted, but not those who
spoke the same language as the Carians but were of another people. 172.
I think the Caunians are aborigines of the soil, but they say that they came from Crete. Their speech has become
like the Carian, or the Carian like theirs (for I cannot clearly decide), but in their customs they diverge widely from
the Carians, as from all other men. Their chief pleasure is to assemble for drinking-bouts in groups according to their
ages and friendships: men, women, and children. [2] Certain foreign rites of worship were established among them;
but afterwards, when they were inclined otherwise, and wanted to worship only the gods of their fathers, all Caunian
men of full age put on their armor and went together as far as the boundaries of Calynda, striking the air with their
spears and saying that they were casting out the alien gods. 173.
Such are their ways. The Lycians were from Crete in ancient times (for in the past none that lived on Crete were
Greek). [2] Now there was a dispute in Crete about the royal power between Sarpedon and Minos, sons of Europa;
Minos prevailed in this dispute and drove out Sarpedon and his partisans; who, after being driven out, came to the
Milyan land in Asia. What is now possessed by the Lycians was in the past Milyan, and the Milyans were then
called Solymi. [3] For a while Sarpedon ruled them, and the people were called Termilae, which was the name that
they had brought with them and that is still given to the Lycians by their neighbors; but after Lycus son of Pandion
came from Athens — banished as well by his brother, Aegeus — to join Sarpedon in the land of the Termilae, they
came in time to be called Lycians after Lycus. [4] Their customs are partly Cretan and partly Carian. But they have
one which is their own and shared by no other men: they take their names not from their fathers but from their
mothers, [5] and when one is asked by his neighbor who he is, he will say that he is the son of such a mother, and
rehearse the mothers of his mother. Indeed, if a female citizen marries a slave, her children are considered pureblooded;
but if a male
Herodotus says this about Zues
181. I have now described all the nomadic Libyans who live on the coast. Farther inland than these is that Libyan
country which is haunted by wild beasts, and beyond this wild beasts’ haunt runs a ridge of sand that stretches from
Thebes of Egypt to the Pillars of Heracles. At intervals of about ten days’ journey along this ridge there are masses
of great lumps of salt in hills; on the top of every hill, a fountain of cold sweet water shoots up from the midst of the
salt; men live around it who are farthest away toward the desert and inland from the wild beasts’ country. The first
on the journey from Thebes , ten days distant from there, are the Ammonians, who follow the worship of the Zeus of
Thebes ; for, as I have said before, the image of Zeus at Thebes has the head of a ram. They have another spring of
water besides, which is warm at dawn, and colder at market-time, and very cold at noon; and it is then that they
water their gardens; as the day declines, the coldness abates, until at sunset the water grows warm. It becomes ever
hotter and hotter until midnight, and then it boils and bubbles; after midnight it becomes ever cooler until dawn. This
spring is called the Spring of the Sun.About Lelex, I don't understand, His name is Lelex, doesn't prove what his origins were. He was a spartan, The Spartans were named after a queen of Sparta who was the wife of the Queen Lacadamon.All that have a temple of Zeus of Thebes or are of the Theban district sacrifice goats, but will not touch sheep. [2]
For no gods are worshipped by all Egyptians in common except Isis and Osiris, who they say is Dionysus; these are
worshipped by all alike. Those who have a temple of Mendes24* or are of the Mendesian district sacrifice sheep, but
will not touch goats. [3] The Thebans, and those who by the Theban example will not touch sheep, give the
following reason for their ordinance:25* they say that Heracles wanted very much to see Zeus and that Zeus did not
want to be seen by him, but that finally, when Heracles prayed, Zeus contrived [4] to show himself displaying the
head and wearing the fleece of a ram which he had flayed and beheaded. It is from this that the Egyptian images of
Zeus have a ram’s head; and in this, the Egyptians are imitated by the Ammonians, who are colonists from Egypt
and Ethiopia and speak a language compounded of the tongues of both countries. [5] It was from this, I think, that
the Ammonians got their name, too; for the Egyptians call Zeus “Amon”. The Thebans, then, consider rams sacred
for this reason, and do not sacrifice them. [6] But one day a year, at the festival of Zeus, they cut in pieces and flay a
single ram and put the fleece on the image of Zeus, as in the story; then they bring an image of Heracles near it.
Having done this, all that are at the temple mourn for the ram, and then bury it in a sacred coffin. 43
Phoroneus was the son of the river god Inachus and either Melia, the Oceanid[4] or Argia,[5] the embodiment of the Argolid itself: "Inachus, son of Oceanus
Diodorus Siculus
Beyond the above-mentioned plain there is a lofty mountain which has been made sacred to the gods and is called
the “Throne of Uranus” and also “Triphylian Olympus.” 6 For the myth relates that in ancient times, when Uranus
was king of the inhabited earth, he took pleasure in tarrying in that place and in surveying from its lofty top both the
heavens and the stars therein, and that at a later time it came to be called Triphylian Olympus because the men who
dwelt about it were composed of three peoples; these, namely, were known as Panchaeans, Oceanites, and Doians,
who were expelled at a later time by Ammon. 7 For Ammon, men say, not only drove this nation into exile but also
totally destroyed their cities, razing to the ground both Doia and Asterusia. And once a year, we are told, the priests
hold a sacrifice in this mountain with great solemnity.
45 1 Beyond this mountain and throughout the rest of the land of Panchaeitis, the account continues, there is found
a multitude of beasts of every description; for the land possesses many elephants and lions and leopards and gazelles
and an unusual number of other wild animals which differ in their aspect and are of marvellous ferocity. 2 This
island also contains three notable cities, Hyracia, Dalis, and Oceanis. The whole country, moreover, is fruitful and
possesses in particular a multitude of vines of every variety. 3 The men are warlike and use chariots in battle after
the ancient manner.
6 The clothing of the Panchaeans is soft, because the wool of the sheep of the land is distinguished above all other
for its softness; and they wear ornaments of gold, not only the women but the men as well, with collars of twisted
gold about their necks, bracelets on their wrists, and rings hanging from their ears after the manner of the Persians.
The same kind of shoes are worn by both sexes, and they are worked in more varied colours than is usual.
46 1 The soldiers receive a pay which is apportioned to them and in return protect the land by means of forts and
posts fixed at intervals; for there is one section of the country which is infested with robber bands, composed of bold
and lawless men who lie in wait for the farmer and war upon them. 2 And as for the priests, they far excel the rest in
luxury and in every other refinement and elegance of their manner of life; so, for instance, their robes are of linen
and exceptionally sheer and soft, and at times they wear garments woven of the softest wool; furthermore, their
headdress is interwoven with gold, their footgear consists of sandals which are of varied colours and ingeniously
worked, and they wear the same gold ornaments as do the women, with the exception of the earrings. The first duties
of the priests concerned with the services paid to the gods and with the hymns and praises which are accorded them,
and in them they recite in song the achievements of the gods one after another and the benefactions they have
bestowed upon mankind. 3 According to the myth which the priests give, the gods had their origin in Crete, and were
led by Zeus to Panchaea at the time when he sojourned among men and was king of the inhabited earth. In proof of
this they cite their language, pointing out that most of the things they have about them still retain their Cretan names;
and they add that the kinship which they have with the Cretans and the kindly regard they feel toward them are
traditions they received from their ancestors, since this report is ever handed down from one generation to another.
And it has been their practice, in corroboration of these claims, to point to inscriptions which, they said, were made
by Zeus during the time he still sojourned among men and founded the temple.
The land possesses rich mines of gold, silver, copper, tin, and iron, but none of these metals is allowed to be
taken from the island; nor may the priests for any reason whatsoever set foot outside of the hallowed land, and if one
of them does so, whoever meets him is authorized to slay him. 5 There are many great dedications of gold and of
silver which have been made to the gods, since time has amassed the multitude of such offerings. 6 The doorways of
the temple are objects of wonder in their construction, being worked in silver and gold and ivory and citrus-wood.
And there is the couch of the god, which is six cubits long and four wide and is entirely of gold and skillfully
constructed in every detail of its workmanshi Similar to it both in size and in costliness in general is the table of the
god which stands near the couch. And on the centre of the couch stands a large gold stele which carries letters which
the Egyptians call sacred, and the inscription recounts the deeds both of Uranus and of Zeus; and to them there were
added by Hermes the deeds also of Artemis and of Apollo.
As regards the islands, then, which lie in the ocean opposite
HerodotosIf 338 kings after the first king of Egypt existed and Not one is mentioned to be a Greek then Lelex wasnt a Greek, But Egyptian as he Came From Egypt. It is plainly saidIt would seem that the robe and aegis of the images of Athena were copied by the Greeks from the Libyan
women; for except that Libyan women dress in leather, and that the tassels of their goatskin cloaks are not snakes
but thongs of hide, in everything else their equipment is the same. And in fact, the very name betrays that the attire
of the statues of Pallas has come from Libya; for Libyan women wear the hairless tasselled “aegea” over their dress,
colored with madder, and the Greeks have changed the name of these aegeae into their “aegides.” Furthermore, in
my opinion the ceremonial chant first originated in Libya: for the women of that country chant very tunefully. And it
is from the Libyans that the Greeks have learned to drive four-horse chariots.
So far, all I have said is the record of my own autopsy and judgment and inquiry. Henceforth I will record
Egyptian chronicles, according to what I have heard, adding something of what I myself have seen. [2] The priests
told me that Min was the first king of Egypt, and that first he separated Memphis from the Nile by a dam. All the
river had flowed close under the sandy mountains on the Libyan side, but Min made the southern bend of it, which
begins about twelve and one half miles above Memphis, by damming the stream, thereby drying up the ancient
channel, and carried the river by a channel so that it flowed midway between the hills. [3] And to this day the
Persians keep careful watch on this bend of the river, strengthening its dam every year to keep the current in; for
were the Nile to burst its dikes and overflow here, all Memphis would be in danger of flooding. [4] Then, when this
first king Min had made dry land of what he thus cut off, he first founded in it that city which is now called
Memphis (for even Memphis lies in the narrow part of Egypt), and outside of it he dug a lake from the river to its
north and west (for the Nile itself bounds it on the east); and secondly, he built in it the great and most noteworthy
temple of Hephaestus. 100
After him came three hundred and thirty kings, whose names the priests recited from a papyrus roll. In all these
many generations there were eighteen Ethiopian kings, and one queen, native to the country; the rest were all
Egyptian men. [2] The name of the queen was the same as that of the Babylonian princess, Nitocris. She, to avenge
her brother (he was king of Egypt and was slain by his subjects, who then gave Nitocris the sovereignty) put many
of the Egyptians to death by treachery. [3] She built a spacious underground chamber; then, with the pretence of
inaugurating it, but with quite another intent in her mind, she gave a great feast, inviting to it those Egyptians whom
she knew to have had the most complicity in her brother’s murder; and while they feasted, she let the river in upon
them by a vast secret channel. [4] This was all that the priests told of her, except that when she had done this she cast
herself into a chamber full of hot ashes, to escape vengeance. 101.
Diodorus Siculus
As for the first Dionysus, the son of Ammon and Amaltheia, these, then, are the deeds he accomplished as
the Libyans recount the history of them; the second Dionysus, as men say, who was born to Zeus by Io, the daughter
of Inachus, became king of Egypt and appointed the initiatory rites of that land; and the third and last was sprung
from Zeus and Semelê and became, among the Greeks, the rival of the first two.And to repost again
1 The Greek account of Dionysus runs like this: Cadmus, the son of Agenor, was sent forth from Phoenicia by
the king to seek out Europê, under orders either to bring him the maiden or never to come back to Phoenicia. After
Cadmus had traversed a wide territory without being able to find her, he despaired of ever returning to his home; and
when he had arrived in Boeotia, in obedience to the oracle which he had received he founded the city of Thebes.
Here he made his home and marrying Harmonia, the daughter of Aphroditê, he begat by her Semelê, Ino, Autonoê,
Agavê, and Polydorus. 2 Semelê was loved by Zeus because of her beauty, but since he had his intercourse with her
secretly and without speech she thought that the god despised her; consequently she made the request of him that he
come to her embraces in the same manner as in his approaches to Hera. 3 Accordingly, Zeus visited her in a way
befitting a god, accompanied by thunder and lightning, revealing himself to her as he embraced her; but Semelê,
who was pregnant and unable to endure the majesty of the divine presence, brought forth the babe untimely and was
herself slain by the fire. Thereupon Zeus, taking up the child, handed it over to the care of Hermes, and ordered him
to take it to the cave in Nysa, which lay between Phoenicia and the Nile, where he should deliver it to the nymphs
that they should rear it and with great solicitude bestow upon it the best of care. 4 Consequently, since Dionysus was
reared in Nysa, he received the name he bears from Zeus and Nysa. And Homer bears witness to this in his Hymns,
when he says:
There is a certain Nysa, mountain high,
With forests thick, in Phoenicê afar,
Close to Aegyptus’ streams.
5 After he had received his rearing by the nymphs in Nysa, they say, he made the discovery of wine and taught
mankind how to cultivate the vine. And as he visited the inhabited world almost in its entirety, he brought much land
under cultivation and in return for this received most high honours at the hands of all men. He also discovered the
drink made out of barley and called by some zythos, the bouquet of which is not much inferior to that of wine. The
preparation of this drink he taught to those peoples whose country was unsuited to the cultivation of the vine. 6 He
also led about with himself an army composed not only of men but of women as well, and punished such men as
were unjust and impious. In Boeotia, out of gratitude to the land of his birth, he freed all the cities and founded a city
whose name signified independence, which he called Eleutherae.
Cadmus, who was a citizen of Egyptian Thebes, begat several children, of whom one was Semelê; she was
violated by an unknown person, became pregnant, and after seven months gave birth to a child whose appearance
was such as the Egyptians hold had been that of Osiris. Now such a child is not usually brought into the world alive,
either because it is contrary to the will of the gods or because the law of nature does not admit of it. 5 But when
Cadmus found out what had taken place, having at the same time a reply from an oracle commanding him to observe
the laws of his fathers, he both gilded the infant and paid it the appropriate sacrifices, on the ground that there had
been a sort of epiphany of Osiris among men. 6 The fatherhood of the child he attributed to Zeus, in this way
magnifying Osiris and averting slander from his violated daughter; and this is the reason why the tale was given out
among the Greeks to the effect that Semelê, the daughter of Cadmus, was the mother of Osiris by Zeus.A peculiar thing also came to pass in connection with the birth of this god. The first mortal woman, for instance,
with whom Zeus lay was Niobê, the daughter of Phoroneus, and the last was Alcmenê, who, as the writers of myths
state in their genealogies, was the sixteenth lineal descendant from Niobê. It appears, then, that Zeus began to beget
human beings with the ancestors of Alcmenê and ceased with her; that is, he stopped with her his intercourse with
mortal women since he had no hope that he would beget in after times one who would be worthy of his former
children and was unwilling to have the better followed by the worse.
Herodotus
[91] Greek customs are shunned by the Egyptians – as too, by and large, are those of other peoples.
Nevertheless, there is the one exception to this general hauteur. In Chemmis, a large city in the administrative region
of Thebes, not far from Neapolis, there stands a square temple which is fringed all around by palm trees and
dedicated to Perseus, the son of Danaë. The gateways of this temple are made of stone and rise to an enormous
height, as do the two stone statues which stand in front of them. There is a temple within the shrine’s enclosure, and
within this temple a statue of Perseus. Perseus himself, so the locals say, makes regular appearances across the
whole region of Chemmis, not to mention inside the shrine, and sometimes will even shed a sandal; tradition says
that, should this subsequently be tracked down, all 3 feet of it, the whole of Egypt will enjoy a golden age. So it is
claimed, at any rate. In honour of Perseus, certain things are done in the Greek fashion; most notably, an athletics
contest is staged with the full range of events, and with prizes of cattle, cloaks and skins. When I asked the people of
Chemmis why it was that Perseus was in the habit of materializing among them alone, and why it was that they had
differentiated themselves from the rest of the Egyptians by staging an athletics contest, they answered by claiming
that Danaus and Lynceus, before sailing off to Greece, had been natives of Chemmis, and that Perseus, whose
lineage they trace from this couple, was therefore one of their own. He originally came to Egypt from Libya, they
said, because he was bringing the Gorgon’s head – the same reason as is given by the Greeks. It was in the course of
this visit that Perseus went to Chemmis, whose name he had earlier learned from his mother, and there
acknowledged kinship with his relations. He also instructed them to stage an athletics contest in his honour, which they duly did.
[92] Now, although all the customs I have been describing until now properly relate to the Egyptians who live
upriver from the marshlands, those who are settled in the marshes actually live their lives in the same way as
everyone else in Egypt; a man will only ever have the one wife
It says it is done in the greek fashion but what we really see is that Persues lineage is originally from Libya. This suggest that the greek games tradition actually originates from a group in Libya that spread over to greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhmim
Akhmim (Arabic: أخميم, pronounced [ʔæxˈmiːm]; Akhmimic Coptic: ⳉⲙⲓⲙ, pronounced [xmiːm]; Sahidic/Bohairic Coptic: ϣⲙⲓⲛ pronounced [ʃmiːn]) is a city in the Sohag Governorate of Upper Egypt. Referred to by the ancient Greeks as Khemmis or Chemmis (Ancient Greek: Χέμμις)[2] and Panopolis (Ancient Greek: Πανὸς πόλις[3] and Πανόπολις[4]), it is located on the east bank of the Nile, four miles (6.4 km) to the northeast of Sohag.
DAUNUSIt is this lake which provides the setting for night-time evocations of the god’s suffering, to which the
Egyptians give the name ‘Mysteries’.84 Now, although I am conversant with these performances, and have a
comprehensive grasp of their essence, it is hardly proper for me to betray what is known about them. Likewise, with
regard to the rites that are sacred to Demeter, and are called the ‘Thesmophoria’ by the Greeks, I will breathe not a
word, beyond what it is legitimate to report. It was the daughters of Danaus who brought the rite from Egypt, and
taught it to the Pelasgian women. Subsequently, in the wake of the ethnic cleansing of the Peloponnese by the
Dorians, the knowledge of the Thesmophoria was almost entirely eradicated,85 and that it survived at all was due
entirely to the Arcadians, for they, alone of the Peloponnesians, avoided being uprooted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus
Danaus, was the son of King Belus of Egypt and the naiad Achiroe, daughter of the river god Nilus, or of Sida,[3] eponym of Sidon. He was the twin brother of Aegyptus, king of Egypt while Euripides adds two others, Cepheus, King of Ethiopia and Phineus, betrothed of Andromeda.
When Cleomenes had sent for and demanded the banishment of Cleisthenes and the Accursed, Cleisthenes
himself secretly departed. Afterwards, however, Cleomenes appeared in Athens with no great force. Upon his
arrival, he, in order to take away the curse, banished seven hundred Athenian families named for him by Isagoras.
Having so done he next attempted to dissolve the Council,35* entrusting the offices of government to Isagoras’
faction. [2] The Council, however, resisted him, whereupon Cleomenes and Isagoras and his partisans seized the
acropolis. The rest of the Athenians united and besieged them for two days. On the third day as many of them as
were Lacedaemonians left the country under truce. [3] The prophetic voice that Cleomenes heard accordingly had its
fulfillment, for when he went up to the acropolis with the intention of taking possession of it, he approached the
shrine of the goddess to address himself to her. The priestess rose up from her seat, and before he had passed
through the door-way, she said, “Go back, Lacedaemonian stranger, and do not enter the holy place since it is not
lawful that Dorians should pass in here. “My lady,” he answered, “I am not a Dorian, but an Achaean.” [4] So
without taking heed of the omen, he tried to do as he pleased and was, as I have said, then again cast out together
with his Lacedaemonians. As for the rest, the Athenians imprisoned them under sentence of death. Among the
prisoners was Timesitheus the Delphian, whose achievements of strength and courage were quite formidable. 73.
The Lacedaemonians are the only Greeks who tell this story. But in what I write I follow the Greek report, and
hold that the Greeks correctly recount these kings of the Dorians as far back as Perseus son of Danae — they make
no mention of the god17* — and prove these kings to be Greek; for by that time they had come to be classified as
Greeks. [2] I said as far back as Perseus, and I took the matter no further than that, because no one is named as the
mortal father of Perseus, as Amphitryon is named father of Heracles. So I used correct reasoning when I said that the
Greek record is correct as far back as Perseus; farther back than that, if the king’s ancestors in each generation, from
Danae daughter of Acrisius upward, be reckoned, then the leaders of the Dorians will be shown to be true-born
Egyptians. 54.
Thus have I traced their lineage according to the Greek story; but the Persian tale is that Perseus himself was an
Assyrian, and became a Greek, which his forebears had not been; the Persians say that the ancestors of Acrisius18*
had no bond of kinship with Perseus, and they indeed were, as the Greeks say, Egyptians. 55.
Enough of these matters. Why and for what achievements these men, being Egyptian, won the kingship of the
Dorians has been told by others, so I will let it go, and will make mention of matters which others have not touched.
56.
These privileges the Spartans have given to their kings: two priesthoods, of Zeus called Lacedaemon19* and of
Zeus of Heaven; they wage war against whatever land they wish, and no Spartan can hinder them in this on peril of
being put under a curse; when the armies go forth the kings go out first and return last; one hundred chosen men
guard them in their campaigns; they sacrifice as many sheep and goats as they wish at the start of their expeditions,
and take the hides and backs of all sacrificed beasts. 57.
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Lydia was where the Maonians lived, who were descended from the Phrygians, who were originally called Brygians and lived next to the Macedonians before they entered Asia-Minor. They split into Carians, Lydians and Mysians.
Maeones also known as Mannus or Germanus was also the fouder of the Germans, being the son of Tuitshe (in modern German Deuche due to Grimm's Law) the son of Jannus/Ogyges who in 1628 BC was king of Athens/Northern Greece, Italy, Scythia, Illyria and Armenia.
Prior to its occupation by the Phrygians (who separated from the Maeonians after the death of Tantalus and expulsion of Pelops which occurred in about 1430 BC according to Jerome,) Lydia was under the rule of Argive king Apis or Sarapis who ruled the entire coast of Asia Minor (and Egypt as Pharaoh Awoserre Apepi,) from about 1625 to 1605 BC and before him the entire world was ruled by Zeus the Cretan king Saasitepi (Zeus-Jupi[ter]) who was also the Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi.
The material culture of the entire western coast of Anatolia is the same as that of Minoan Crete and the Peloponnese. So Lydia was Greek before tbe Ionians and Phrygians got there. The Lydian aristocracy were Greek including Croesus. The Lydian royal family was descended from Herakles and before that from Tantalus, both sons of Zeus. The Lydian people were Maeonians as were the Carians and Mysians. Hercule's name and religious cult is testified to in Assyrian records as is his presence in Caria and Lycia and thus Maeonia.
Mannus (Germanus) son Herman is supposed to have established the kingdoms of Phrygia, Mysia and Bithynia in about 1565 BC. And Phrygia or Freya was the wife of Eingeb or Ingaevon the son of Mannus or Maeones in about 1557 BC.
The text source for the name Tuitshe originally comes from is pseudo-Berosus History of the Chaldanes c.300 BC. Other variants include Tuisto, Tuyscon the most ancient God of the Germans (Verstegan in "Restitution of Decayed Intelligence: in Antiquities," 1605, and Lynche "The Treavels of Noe into Europe" 1601,) Assur and Shem referring to Shemshi Adad or Adad Shemshi, hence Tuitshe (DuiD-ShMSh = TuiTSh) the eponymous ancestor of the Deutch and king of Assyria (1600 BC) from where the German royal line is supposed to have originated, though the orginal source of the historical account is more likely to the by History of the Phrygians since Tuitshe was supposed to be a king of Phrygia and the area around the mouth of the Danube from whence the Germans migrated to Germany, and Berosus Assyrian king list as actually a list of kings bearing Median names.
The Germans did not emerge until 1600 BC when Tuiscon (Tuitshe/Shem/Adad-Shamshi II) migrated from Assyria to Phrygia and ruled from there up to the river Danube Delta after the Thera Eruption Tsunami caused the Ogygian Deluge.
The name Tuitshe dates back to 1600 BC. Before Tuitshe ruled over the Deutch (name after him) there was no such word in any Indo-European language as "tut" meaning people. The only historically documented Indo-European words for people dating to before the middle ages are Demos, Laos, and Populus.
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The rivers were all named after people.
The river was named after king Inachus. His daughter Io was an Argive princess. Her son Epaphus was the Pharaoh Apepi I or Apachnas who Manethos says ruled from 1645-1627 BC.
The same goes for Oceanus. Janus is the corruption of the Titan Oceanus, after whom the Ocean was named. From Roman chronology you can see that there were at least 4 kings called Janus (or Annus), which is why he is represented with 4 faces, who ruled in 1700, 1628, 1570 and 1360 BC. Janus I was Oceanus Janus II was Deukalion aka Ogyges Saga. Janus III was Ion the the eponymous ancestor of the Ionians Greeks. Acheanous also comes from Oceanus.1856 Inachus 50. Inachus's daughter Io, whom the Egyptians, having changed the name, call Isis and worship. The river Inachus at Argos is named after his father Inachus, the Bosphorus after his daughter Io.
The Pelasgian were Inachid Greeks whereas the Hellenes were Iapetid Greeks. Also read Virgil, Ovid and Livy. Scamander came to Troy from Crete and named the river after himself and the mountain after Mt Ida in Crete which also happened to be the name of his wife.
Likewise Achelous was one of Deianiras suitors so was a human king. The river was named after him.
[Apollodorus. 2.7.5] "And having come to Calydon, Hercules wooed Deianira, daughter of Oeneus. He wrestled for her hand with Achelous"
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Libya and Nilus were Greeks. They were both descended from Oceanus and lived at the time when the Hyksos, ie. foreign kings ruled Egypt. Belus and Agenor were sons of Libya and Libya was the daughter of Epaphus who was Apepi I (1645 BC) the Hyksos (ie. Akaiwoi) ruler of Egypt.
Now Belus was also a hereditary name and the original Belus had other decedents called Belus and the original Agenor had other descendants called Agenor. We know who is who because the poets and earlier historians preserved their names. For example Hesiod said that Cepheus was the son of Belus but this is a different Belus from the father of Danaus. Like the name Zeus is used as title after his deification, so you have Zeus-Lyceon, Zeus-Nestor etc.
Even Pelops, Belus, Vul, Foul, Pal, Paul are all forms of the title Baal which originated as Bar El i.e.. Son of El who was Hellene.
Pelops and Belus are the same word meaning Lord. Since Pelops ruled over Phrygia he used the term Baal as his title.
In GREEK "P" is pronounce "B". If you take a look at the Assyrian and Egyptian names in the bible you will see ALL of them require Ancient Greek to be pronounced the same way as modern Greek, EVEN the Dipthongs, eu, au, (ev, av) etc.
"aa" in Assyrian was pronounced "au" since in Babylonian it was pronounced "u" as in Vul. Thus the Greek "B" in Belus was pronounced "V".
Baal = Baul = Belos = Vul = Ful = Pul = Paul = Paulos = Baulos = Pelops.
Even the word Bull is descended from the depictions of horned Baal = the lord cow. Read Gilgamesh for the allusions.
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