The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

[Kyp]

Hobbits were inspired by rural anglos.

English ≠ Anglo-Saxon

Rohan = Anglo Saxons

[Blondie]

English ≠ Anglo-Saxon

Rohan = Anglo Saxons

Several aspects of Rohan's culture and history seem to be inspired by both Goths, Scandinavians and the medieval Anglo-Saxons.

Just like the Germanic Ostrogoths, Rohirric culture was a mounted culture. It had separated from the Northmen, moved south, and had settled in close proximity with a civilization. In the Goths' case it was the Byzantine Empire and in the case of the Rohirrim, it was Gondor.

Especially the Hervarar saga, with its Mirkwood, Gothic horsemen and shieldmaidens, appears to have inspired Tolkien when creating the Rohirrim, although he exchanged the Gothic tongue with the Anglo-Saxon.

The antipathy between the Rohirrim and the Dunlendings resembles the historical tension between the Anglo-Saxon settlers of Britain and the native Celts.

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rohan

[Ruggery]

There were many conflict between elves and evil humans. Basically evil humans thought that elves hide the road to Valinor and eternal life from them, it was Sauron's lying. Read the Silmarillion about Númenor. Númenoreans were afraid of death, they started to built big morgues, the country was full of mummified corpses, the counselors experimented with resurrection of deads. Tolkien described the númenorean king called Ar-Pharazôn as the biggest tyrant of the world after Morgoth. Númenoreans sailed to Middle Earth to enslave other humans, and they brutally tortured and sacrificed them in a church what Sauron built. We will see it in the series for sure.

Were there other evil beings besides Morgoth(Melkor) and Sauron?

In the late Third Age hobbits lived a peaceful life, because elves, dúnedains or Gandalf guarded them. But in the Second Age when hobbits lived in Rhovanion this safe space did not exist. This is what we see in the series when they are hiding themselves, they eat various snails and fruits what they have found in the forest, and they are semi-nomads because it is not safe to stand at one place too long.

What do you mean? The hobbits were conflicted?

[Kyp]

Were there other evil beings besides Morgoth(Melkor) and Sauron?

Of course. Most notably the Balrogs who are the same kind of beings like Gandalf and Sauron for example.

Others would be Ungoliant the giant spider of the first age or the Dragon Glaurung

[Ruggery]

Of course. Most notably the Balrogs who are the same kind of beings like Gandalf and Sauron for example.

Others would be Ungoliant the giant spider of the first age or the Dragon Glaurung

When he talks about evil beings I was referring to independent evil beings, the Balrogs were servants of Morgoth of Sauron it is not clear but it is possible that also.

[Blondie]

When he talks about evil beings I was referring to independent evil beings, the Balrogs were servants of Morgoth of Sauron it is not clear but it is possible that also.

Only Ungoliant was probably independent evil, others are not. Ar-Pharazôn was influenced by Sauron, and Sauron was influenced by Morgoth in his whole life. All evil came from Morgoth and his corruption. The only exception (maybe) is Ungoliant that is a very mysterious character:

Ungoliant's origins are shrouded in mystery. It is thought that she may have been one of the Maiar, or a lesser spirit, whom Melkor corrupted long ago, but she is not listed among the known Ainur. It is also said that she came from the darkness above the skies of Arda, leading some to believe that she may be an incarnation of darkness or emptiness itself. What is known is that during the Years of the Trees she had disowned Melkor and lived independently in Avathar.[1]

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ungoliant

There is no freedom in the evil side, only slavery. In the Third Age even Sauron was still a slave of Morgoth deep inside, because his all works are copy of Morgoth, and Gandalf mentioned that Saruman also thought he is independent, he he was not, because realm of Isengard was just cheap copy of Mordor.

What do you mean? The hobbits were conflicted?

In Rhovanion? Or course, they were harassed by orcs, vargs for sure. But even in the Shire hobbits have fought against orcs of Mount Gram and Angmar too.

[Ruggery]

Only Ungoliant was probably independent evil, others are not. Ar-Pharazôn was influenced by Sauron, and Sauron was influenced by Morgoth in his whole life. All evil came from Morgoth and his corruption. The only exception (maybe) is Ungoliant that is a very mysterious character:


https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ungoliant

There is no freedom in the evil side, only slavery. In the Third Age even Sauron was still a slave of Morgoth deep inside, because his all works are copy of Morgoth, and Gandalf mentioned that Saruman also thought he is independent, he he was not, because realm of Isengard was just cheap copy of Mordor.

Also some dragons, I think not all were under Morgoth's orders, Smaug was independent and Glaurung I think also as Kyp said It could be said that the Guardian of the Water of Moria also since this one was not under the orders of Sauron.

In Rhovanion? Or course, they were harassed by orcs, vargs for sure. But even in the Shire hobbits have fought against orcs of Mount Gram and Angmar too.

I've only heard of the hobbits fighting in the shire once, in the epilogue of the return of the king.

[Blondie]

Also some dragons, I think not all were under Morgoth's orders, Smaug was independent and Glaurung I think also as Kyp said It could be said that the Guardian of the Water of Moria also since this one was not under the orders of Sauron.

Independent in what way? Maybe they were independent from Sauron, but all evil originated from Morgoth who corrupted Arda. They were not independent in the reality. This is the biggest lying of Morgoth or Sauron that if you choose the evil then you will be independent. No, you wont. In Númenor Sauron promised everything to númenoreans including independence from Valars, but it was just lying and they became slaves of Sauron. This is the nature of evil in LOTR to corrupt and enslave everyone.
Smaug was descedant of those dragons who lived in Utumno and Angband. His evil spirit, gold obsession are connecting to Morgoth. Every evil creature are slave doesnt matter in direct or indirect way, but they cannot be independent. Morgoths power is strongest in the gold and weakest in the water. Interesting thing that later dragons have appeared in Grey Mountains what was part of ancient Iron Mountains, home of Morgoth. Utomno was also located there somewhere. We know from the canon that valars didnt destroy Utomno completely, like they did with Angband. The suspicion is strong that ruins of Utumno still exist in North, but it is in unreachable deep.
The Watcher in the Water belongs to Nameless Things, these unknown creatures originated from Utumno for sure, breed by Morgoth. These dragons or Nameless Things dug themselves out from ruins of Utumno somehow, this is my theory. But they were not independent from Morgoths influence.

I've only heard of the hobbits fighting in the shire once, in the epilogue of the return of the king.

Firstly hobbits have fought against Angmar as archers, they helped to Dúnedain, there was a white wolf invasion, after that orcs led by Golfimbul attacked the Shire, and finally they have fought against Sarumans bandit army.

[Ruggery]

Independent in what way? Maybe they were independent from Sauron, but all evil originated from Morgoth who corrupted Arda. They were not independent in the reality. This is the biggest lying of Morgoth or Sauron that if you choose the evil then you will be independent. No, you wont. In Númenor Sauron promised everything to númenoreans including independence from Valars, but it was just lying and they became slaves of Sauron. This is the nature of evil in LOTR to corrupt and enslave everyone.
Smaug was descedant of those dragons who lived in Utumno and Angband. His evil spirit, gold obsession are connecting to Morgoth. Every evil creature are slave doesnt matter in direct or indirect way, but they cannot be independent. Morgoths power is strongest in the gold and weakest in the water. Interesting thing that later dragons have appeared in Grey Mountains what was part of ancient Iron Mountains, home of Morgoth. Utomno was also located there somewhere. We know from the canon that valars didnt destroy Utomno completely, like they did with Angband. The suspicion is strong that ruins of Utumno still exist in North, but it is in unreachable deep.
The Watcher in the Water belongs to Nameless Things, these unknown creatures originated from Utumno for sure, breed by Morgoth. These dragons or Nameless Things dug themselves out from ruins of Utumno somehow, this is my theory. But they were not independent from Morgoths influence.



Firstly hobbits have fought against Angmar as archers, they helped to Dúnedain, there was a white wolf invasion, after that orcs led by Golfimbul attacked the Shire, and finally they have fought against Sarumans bandit army.

Utumno was the place where Galadriel and her warriors were headed at the beginning of the series? And that place exists even during the time of the war of the ring?

[Kyp]

Also some dragons, I think not all were under Morgoth's orders, Smaug was independent and Glaurung I think also as Kyp said It could be said that the Guardian of the Water of Moria also since this one was not under the orders of Sauron.



I've only heard of the hobbits fighting in the shire once, in the epilogue of the return of the king.

As Blonde said there is no independent evil in Tolkien other than Morgoth (Melkor). And even in his case you could argue that he was created this way by Iluvatar. All evil that got created in Tolkiens world ulimtately comes from Morgoth, except maybe Ungoliant like Blonde said Ungoliant is a big mystery in Tolkiens legendarium.

But my theory is that Ungoliant also was created by Melkors discord of the Music of the Ainur.