White Croat sample from Bosnia?!

[Jana]

Target: HRV_Vinkovci_Mdv
Distance: 4.2211% / 0.04221054
38.4 (Balto-)Slavic
30.0 Celtic-like
20.8 Balkan
9.2 Graeco-Roman
1.6 Turkic

can try this one please? Byzantine-Era Dalmatian.

HRV_Trogir_Byz_o,0.121791,0.140143,0.048649,0.0293 93,0.038161,0.014781,0.00329,0.010615,0.007567,-0.010387,0.000812,-0.004346,0.018731,0.020368,-0.020222,-0.011535,-0.00665,0.007095,0.006913,-0.008379,-0.004367,-0.003339,0.005916,-0.002169,-0.002994

[Varda]

Proto-Albanians probably originated from Thracian tribe Bessi who lived in modern Bulgaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessi
According to historical sources Bessi have avoided romanization, because they lived isolated in the mountains. Albanian language is not Romance, but came from some non-romanized paleo-Balkan population. Bessi are the best candidates for proto-Albanians. Interesting connection of Albanians and Bessi is Besa from Albanian culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_(Albanian_culture)
On the Serbian-Bulgarian border near Dimitrovgrad exist mountain micro region of non-Slavic name known as Burel, and in Albania exist town Burrel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrel_(town)). Interesting, town Burrel is in Mat area and according to Kaplan Resuli Burović Albanians settled in Mat in the late 9th or early 10th century as auxiliary troops of Bulgarian emperor Simeon in one of his campaign towards west. Albanian-Romanian linguistic connection indicate on East Balkanic origin of Albanians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albani...c_relationship
Albanian-Bulgarian genetic relations in basic Albanian haplos from the early middle age indicate also East Balkanic origin of Albanians
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY95428/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-KMS66/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY73185/

Proto-Romanians and proto-Albanians were for sure related people and lived somewhere near each other.

[Victor]

Proto-Romanians and proto-Albanians were for sure related people and lived somewhere near each other.

There's significant number of Slavic words + those with general indo-european origin.

[Varda]

There's significant number of Slavic words + those with general indo-european origin.

I know, but Albanian and Romanian language have also connections in the other elements outside of vocabulary. Albanian language have more similarities with East Romance languages (Romanian, Aromanian and Meglenitic) than with Dalmatian language which was language of romanized Illyrians.

[Hulu]

FOB

[rothaer]

can try this one please? Byzantine-Era Dalmatian.

HRV_Trogir_Byz_o,0.121791,0.140143,0.048649,0.0293 93,0.038161,0.014781,0.00329,0.010615,0.007567,-0.010387,0.000812,-0.004346,0.018731,0.020368,-0.020222,-0.011535,-0.00665,0.007095,0.006913,-0.008379,-0.004367,-0.003339,0.005916,-0.002169,-0.002994

Target: HRV_Trogir_Byz_o
Distance: 2.3843% / 0.02384289
63.0 (Balto-)Slavic
18.2 Balkan
9.8 Graeco-Roman
9.0 Celtic-like

[Varda]

And NW Bosnia was completely deserted during the Ottoman wars.

Serbs have begun to settle NW Bosnia in 15th century (mostly from Herzegovina, modern Montenegro and Raška), and in 16th century have settled in large numbers from same regions. In the last 500 years Serbs are majority in that part of Bosnia.
Croatians who lived there in the middle age when Ottomans came escaped to west and northwest in the regions which were under the Habsburg control. Small modern Croatian community of NW Bosnia are not remnants of medieval Croatians of area, but descendants of settlers from more southern and eastern regions as western Herzegovina and Tropolje in late Ottoman period and colonists from Lika from the period of AH occupation/rule (1878-1918).

[Atlantic Reptilian]

I mean the pre-slavic Balkanians, Vlachs. They weren't actual Italians, but genetically very similar to modern Italians, and spoke Latin.

Oh, ok.
Where they roman settlers or something else?

[vbnetkhio]

Oh, ok.
Where they roman settlers or something else?

they were a big "roman mix", but mostly IA Balkanian + Middle Eastern/Greek/Anatolian Romans

[Dušan]

Nice. Seems like the old Gedmatch mixed mode was not wrong when it showed roughly half Italian/Greek half Ukrainian or something for many South Slavs.

This is mine 2-way combinations

1.3 million models (0.25 s):
0.0135 Dušan_g25 = 66.7% RUS_Sunghir_MA + 33.3% BGR_IA
0.0143 Dušan_g25 = 59.6% RUS_Sunghir_MA + 40.4% MKD_BA
0.0145 Dušan_g25 = 67.5% RUS_Sunghir_MA + 32.5% ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o



.....


Samples closest to modern population:


Distance to: RUS_Sunghir_MA
0.01558763 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.01733881 Russian_Orel
0.01781761 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.01899374 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.01925938 Russian_Voronez
0.01982765 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02011280 Russian_Kursk
0.02026939 Russian_Belgorod
0.02107801 Russian_Smolensk
0.02129694 Cossack_Ukrainian



Distance to: BGR_IA
0.03716518 Italian_Lazio
0.03973669 Italian_Molise
0.04002928 Italian_Apulia
0.04080540 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04080752 Italian_Umbria
0.04130677 Italian_Basilicata
0.04130794 Italian_Marche
0.04274486 Italian_Campania
0.04304663 Greek_Izmir
0.04319581 Greek_South_Tsakonia



Distance to: MKD_BA
0.02836361 Greek_Argolis
0.02912992 Greek_Thessaly
0.02915145 Greek_Corinthia
0.02956342 Italian_Tuscany
0.02973376 Albanian
0.03084134 Greek_Messenia
0.03092533 Greek_Achaea
0.03107164 Italian_Umbria
0.03123886 Greek_Arcadia
0.03151459 Italian_Piedmont



Distance to: ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
0.03028814 Italian_Basilicata
0.03094613 Italian_Campania
0.03155609 Italian_Apulia
0.03274259 Italian_Lazio
0.03286751 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03308005 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.03375358 Greek_Izmir
0.03385404 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.03386092 Italian_Calabria
0.03390900 Italian_Molise