Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 42

Thread: Why were western powers against taking Constantinople from OttomanTurks?

  1. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    11-16-2023 @ 05:04 AM
    Location
    In a remote province of the Planet of the Apes...
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Romanian
    Country
    Romania
    Religion
    Christianity
    Gender
    Posts
    10,127
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,708
    Given: 8,357

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Activateur View Post
    And this is why there's a term named THe Graveyard of Empires.
    Even if he did, he couldn't continue anymore, hard to manage an empire in asia, eventually couldn't force much into india.

    Something not even Napoleon and Hitler couldn't do in eastern europe to Russia. So this is why. Western Powers didn't really care about east. they already had large empires overseas to profit.
    But I am not talking about Asia or Russia. I am talking about the SE extremity of Balkan peninsula and they didn't need to take it for themselves, but let Russia or Greece have it, which they didn't. The opposite of what you say is true. This area had great strategic importance for them and still has and they cared a lot who had it. Why did they prefer Turkey keep it?

  2. #12
    Veteran Member Hektor12's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Last Online
    04-25-2024 @ 02:43 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Moderate member of the Uralic Cluster
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kınık_(tribe)
    Country
    Turkey
    Taxonomy
    Turano-Pontid and slight Carpathid
    Politics
    Unbestechlichkeit
    Religion
    Religions are mass-scale Stockholm syndromes
    Relationship Status
    To impress her it's too damn hard
    Gender
    Posts
    5,995
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,269
    Given: 4,558

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Isnt it too clear? They preferred Turks because Greeks were so bad, Turks were better.

  3. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    11-16-2023 @ 05:04 AM
    Location
    In a remote province of the Planet of the Apes...
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Romanian
    Country
    Romania
    Religion
    Christianity
    Gender
    Posts
    10,127
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,708
    Given: 8,357

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    Isnt it too clear? They preferred Turks because Greeks were so bad, Turks were better.
    Turks that committed massacres and genocide against Christian subjects for generations, like against Greeks when they rebelled to take back independence. Sultan even had Patriarch of Constantinople hanged and in many locations in Greece, Turks massacred or sold into slavery Greek civilians and PoWs.

  4. #14
    Veteran Member Hektor12's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Last Online
    04-25-2024 @ 02:43 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Moderate member of the Uralic Cluster
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kınık_(tribe)
    Country
    Turkey
    Taxonomy
    Turano-Pontid and slight Carpathid
    Politics
    Unbestechlichkeit
    Religion
    Religions are mass-scale Stockholm syndromes
    Relationship Status
    To impress her it's too damn hard
    Gender
    Posts
    5,995
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,269
    Given: 4,558

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Turks that committed massacres and genocide against Christian subjects for generations, like against Greeks when they rebelled to take back independence. Sultan even had Patriarch of Constantinople hanged and in many locations in Greece, Turks massacred or sold into slavery Greek civilians and PoWs.
    A lot of Europeans [supposedly christians] have done same things and even worse to other Europeans and christians. Constantinople sacked by Crusaders multiple times. But you people only take Turk's name in vain. This shows that how an unfortunate generation you are.

  5. #15
    Senior Member Activateur's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2022
    Last Online
    10-01-2022 @ 10:31 AM
    Location
    Fussilade!
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Tireur
    Ancestry
    Fussilade!
    Country
    European Union
    Region
    Mecklenburg
    Y-DNA
    Build rocket 2 escape Earth.
    mtDNA
    Pendleton
    Taxonomy
    A la Paris
    Politics
    Fussilade!
    Hero
    Alafolix, Vercingetorix, ZumbiX,SpaceEX,SpaceX, Pedro Pascal,SpasIX, Asterix,Obelix, IDEfiX,Ghandi
    Gender
    Posts
    396
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 56
    Given: 21

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    But I am not talking about Asia or Russia. I am talking about the SE extremity of Balkan peninsula and they didn't need to take it for themselves, but let Russia or Greece have it, which they didn't. The opposite of what you say is true. This area had great strategic importance for them and still has and they cared a lot who had it. Why did they prefer Turkey keep it?
    Nah, strategic importance started to pale into insignificance when they discovered overseas territory...
    Furthermore they were Orthodox Christians.They were Catholics, so you know the story.

  6. #16
    Distinguished Member Oturan Boğa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2022
    Last Online
    12-02-2022 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    Ankara
    Ethnicity
    Türk
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    110
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 215
    Given: 1,003

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Turks that committed massacres and genocide against Christian subjects for generations, like against Greeks when they rebelled to take back independence.
    Turks, what Turks ? Almost all if not all of the Ottoman aristocrats, ulemas, ümeras, sadrazams, viziers were "gâvur" or "ecnebi" simply "your kin", when the so called Turks were doing their so called "massacres" and "genocides" where were they ?
    "94.9% Anatolian Turk (Aydın) + 5.1% Saami (Finland)" "0.019"

    "57% ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545 + 43% KAZ_Turk:DA89" "0.023"

    "67% TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_PostMdv:I14844 + 33% ROU_Ploieşti_Mdv:I10495" "0.035"

    "65% TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2200 + 35% KAZ_Kimak:DA87" "0.037"

  7. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    11-16-2023 @ 05:04 AM
    Location
    In a remote province of the Planet of the Apes...
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Romanian
    Country
    Romania
    Religion
    Christianity
    Gender
    Posts
    10,127
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,708
    Given: 8,357

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    A lot of Europeans [supposedly christians] have done same things and even worse to other Europeans and christians. Constantinople sacked by Crusaders multiple times. But you people only take Turk's name in vain. This shows that how an unfortunate generation you are.
    Don't try to minimize crimes against humanity of Ottoman Empire by talking of others and their doings. You said Turks were better than Greeks, but Greeks at the time and nowadays at least did not commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.

  8. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    11-16-2023 @ 05:04 AM
    Location
    In a remote province of the Planet of the Apes...
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Romanian
    Country
    Romania
    Religion
    Christianity
    Gender
    Posts
    10,127
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,708
    Given: 8,357

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Activateur View Post
    Nah, strategic importance started to pale into insignificance when they discovered overseas territory...
    Furthermore they were Orthodox Christians.They were Catholics, so you know the story.
    Britain was Protestant and centuries previously, I read that at least one of the Holy League alliances of mostly Catholic states wanted to even take Constantinople and evict Turks from Europe.

  9. #19
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    11-16-2023 @ 05:04 AM
    Location
    In a remote province of the Planet of the Apes...
    Meta-Ethnicity
    European
    Ethnicity
    Romanian
    Country
    Romania
    Religion
    Christianity
    Gender
    Posts
    10,127
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,708
    Given: 8,357

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oturan Boğa View Post
    Turks, what Turks ? Almost all if not all of the Ottoman aristocrats, ulemas, ümeras, sadrazams, viziers were "gâvur" or "ecnebi" simply "your kin", when the so called Turks were doing their so called "massacres" and "genocides" where were they ?
    I am sure many were Turks, especially the sultans(at least in male line and upbringing) and the head officials that organized the genocides against Christians in ww1, not to mention the bulk of the soldiers and bandits that carried it out were Turks and Kurds.

  10. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Online
    12-28-2023 @ 04:51 AM
    Location
    China
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Homo imaginator
    Ethnicity
    East Asian
    Ancestry
    Zhuang Ethnic
    Country
    China
    Taxonomy
    Scion of Chaos
    Politics
    Order Of Chaos
    Hero
    President Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin
    Religion
    Amun-Ra
    Relationship Status
    In a relationship
    Gender
    Posts
    2,809
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,048
    Given: 987

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    It would have been great to evict the Ottoman Turks from Europe completely and restore Eastern Thrace and Constantinople to the Greeks or even Russia, i.e. to real Europeans.
    Muslims had been very advanced in science and arts as well. It can be said that Vatican tried to stagnate eastern development through withholding Christian truth from the rest of the world and keep Christian thoughts confined to a certain area not beyond Turkey. Turkey could be a dam to the knowledges that Vatican wants to control and confine, thus accepting turkic Islam as a part and a frontier of the western civilization.
    He forged a close connection with the Mongol Emperor, Kublai Khan. Very impressed with Polo's intellect and character, Kublai Khan appointed Marco Polo to his court as a foreign diplomat. Kublai Khan was the founder of China's Yuan Dynasty. He was very interested in meeting foreigners and provided them with generous hospitality. Khan was intrigued by learning about Europe and the Roman Catholic Church.

    Kublai Khan was progressive in his push for the arts and religious tolerance. Despite being anti-Daoist, he respected and preserved the temples. He had over thirty Muslims working in his court as high officials. Many Muslim scholars and scientists contributed to the advancement of the Yuan Dynasty, such as Jamal Ad-Din, who developed new astronomical instruments and ideas that allowed the creation of an accurate Chinese calendar. He notably had Muslim cartographers creating accurate maps of the Silk Roads, Muslim physicians who created hospitals and institutes, and Muslim mathematicians who established Arabic numerals, geometry, and trigonometry in China. Kublai Khan did, however, place restrictions on previous Chinese and Abrahamic practices.
    People today needs to stop taking Christianity as a western religion, the west has not right nor devinely ordained status to claim Christianity as their own. Jesus was a Messiah to jews but the romans worshipped him instead of the old testaments for a reason, because they knew that the old testaments were not true and the new testament is centered on Gospel, guess why? romans and greeks knew that Jesus was for real. All the rest of the world except for the west have followed the path of stupid old testament jews right on greco-roman`s plan to reject Christianity and get stagnated in mutual deception. Muslims were mis-represented for not rejecting Jesus, as modern Israel is populated with antichristian talmudists and being a pet of Vatican, that is the main reason why arabs have been bombed much and infiltrated with false islamic radicalism, just not to civilized Asia and the rest of the world.

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Islamic Extremism funded by Western Powers
    By Bosniensis in forum Islam
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 06-18-2018, 10:43 PM
  2. Constantinople has fallen again
    By Faklon in forum Off-topic
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 02-21-2017, 01:28 PM
  3. Fall of Constantinople = ...?
    By poiuytrewq0987 in forum History
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-12-2011, 11:37 PM
  4. Reconquest of Constantinople
    By Nationalitist in forum Race and Society
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 01-25-2010, 05:43 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •