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    Quote Originally Posted by rossa-slongo View Post
    My ancestors had to choose between war-torn absolute poverty in post-unification Italy (an unification the average peasant would not give a shit about, so much so that cultural unification is still not much of a thing in Italy) or the opportunity to explore big plots of virgin land in South America. That would have been a no-brainer to me too. And even though Italy now is more prosperous than Brazil, I can assure colonists such as my family have more wealth substantially (i.e. land, businesses) than the average Giovanni in Veneto or Lombardia.

    I could not care less about the state in which some government has let my homeland in, I'd rather fight for my family and identity than to withstand some crap I did not ask for. If a better future for me and my family means moving, I'm doing it.
    If you enlarge your view to two or three generations you will see that referring to the "family" is too narrow. The family will mix with other available local people. Though a social stratification will delay, apartheid doesn't work in the long run. The long term comparison will be the average Giovanni in Veneto vs. the average triracial Brazilian. (The first little invisible triracial "injection" your family will get when mixing with old white Brazilan families.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    England will only get worse if more English move out. Why do you think being European is enough? Europe is not USA. There is no European ethnicity. You are neither Hungarian nor Balt/Estonian.
    You are foreigner in these countries. Don't you think they also deserve to be preserved? If millions of English, Germans and other western Euros migrated to eastern Europe you will destroy demographics and bloodlines of these countries forever.

    You're free to live wherever you want but don't claim to be right wing than. You're another rootless individual seeking better life elsewhere.
    Not really different from African seeking nicer opportunities in Europe.

    Especially funny considering your kin treats EE immigrants in UK as subhumans.

    Stay in your country and share it's destiny or move out and stop playing Euro preservationist.
    I agree, especially to the sentence in bold. And precautionary: Preservation has nothing to do with an assessment of people. Preservation is simply preservation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Hungary is a semi fascist state by now.
    Hungary is basically the only real democracy in Europe (along with some other country) where the radicals (nazis, PC lunatics) are all banned. But good to see that ban of kultur-marxists is triggering western left very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossa-slongo View Post
    My ancestors had to choose between war-torn absolute poverty in post-unification Italy (an unification the average peasant would not give a shit about, so much so that cultural unification is still not much of a thing in Italy) or the opportunity to explore big plots of virgin land in South America. That would have been a no-brainer to me too. And even though Italy now is more prosperous than Brazil, I can assure colonists such as my family have more wealth substantially (i.e. land, businesses) than the average Giovanni in Veneto or Lombardia.

    I could not care less about the state in which some government has let my homeland in, I'd rather fight for my family and identity than to withstand some crap I did not ask for. If a better future for me and my family means moving, I'm doing it.
    You're the exception to the rule then. >95% of people who did the same as your ancestors are now mongrels and/or have a lower standard of living than the average Giovanni.
    The only thing that may have benefited you is that your family is in Brasil for many generations so wealth accumulated, but this doesn't happen with a recent immigrant who has to start over from 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firenna View Post
    You're the exception to the rule then. >95% of people who did the same as your ancestors are now mongrels and/or have a lower standard of living than the average Giovanni.
    The only thing that may have benefited you is that your family is in Brasil for many generations so wealth accumulated, but this doesn't happen with a recent immigrant who has to start over from 0.
    Thing is that his descendants will eventually get diluted and mixed, no matter their wealth or social class. Their Italianess won't be preserved unless they return to Italy or import fresh Italians from Italy for marriage.
    I have lot of family overseas and they are much more wealthy and successful than us who stayed home, but their descendants are by blood barely Croats now and they can't speak Croatian either.

    Not saying moving out is bad. Depends what you value. Both is legitimate choice. I have bit of adventure spirit myself and would probably emigrate to Americas in the past.

    But than forget about preserving your ethnic heritage in the long run. That's a price. Unless you return while still being unmixed which very few people do.

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    My opinion is the iron curtain was a good thing. We must separate westernes from us. East Europe is still not corrupted by totalitarian globalists and we must preserve that and its freedom. I have no problem if a westerner have significant east euro family background and they wanna live here, but i would not let others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Thing is that his descendants will eventually get diluted and mixed, no matter their wealth or social class. Their Italianess won't be preserved unless they return to Italy or import fresh Italians from Italy for marriage.
    I have lot of family overseas and they are much more wealthy and successful than us who stayed home, but their descendants are by blood barely Croats now and they can't speak Croatian either.

    Not saying moving out is bad. Depends what you value. Both is legitimate choice. I have bit of adventure spirit myself and would probably emigrate to Americas in the past.

    But than forget about preserving your ethnic heritage in the long run. That's a price. Unless you return while still being unmixed which very few people do.
    Right, and the supposed advantage about being wealthier isn't really one either because one thing is comparing yourself with your family who stayed back home and the other with the natives of your current country, where the immigrant will most likely be the bottom of society even though enjoying a higher standard of living compared to those who stayed in the homeland.

    Only the first generation who see the change is happy but the following may grow resentful. This is why for example in France the second and third generation of Muslim immigrants are more radical than the first. All they see is that they are scum compared to the French and not how lucky they are to not live like their cousins in Algeria, Morocco, etc. In addition to having an identity crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Hungary is a semi fascist state by now.
    I know about concerning news from Hungary but i never hear complaints about their democracy from Hungarians themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    I know about concerning news from Hungary but i never hear complaints about their democracy from Hungarians themselves.
    I could complain to be fair, but this is not the place for that.

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    Many EE are quite judgemental towards westerners, and don't want to associate with them.

    Also, the type of politics that Hungary has is common in eastern Europe. Even the most socialist people say similar things, but it just wasn't an issue back then.

    This applies to Balts too, despite ethnicity.

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