The Genetic History of the Balkans

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The Illyrians, Greeks and Thracians were the only ones who were of mixed y-dna lineages, unlike most other Europeans who were of a single lineage and were not mixed until Roman times.

The E-v13 DNA linage evolved in Greece about 15,000 years ago from E linage immigrants that evolved in Tunisia and about 8,000 years ago the J2b linage evolved in Greece from J linage immigrants from Georgia. About 12,000 years ago the I ydna evolved in Croatia and Bosnia but mostly kept out of Greece. About 4,000 years ago R1b linage migrants may have came to northern Greece (or they may have already been there much earlier) from the Balkans which was already dominated by the M102 and M78 linages.

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J-L283 is a haplogroup which spread with Yamnaya migrations in the Balkans and the first J-L283 to be found in Europe comes from Late Yamnaya Moldova (ca. 3000 BCE, unpublished). Phylogeographer mentions the same sample in this video





So J2b2-L283 is confirmed Yamnaya and not Bell Beaker , together with R-Z2103/R-PF7563 they were found in Maros, Iron Age Albania etc and was found in Maykop and are present among the Iapygians of Illyrian origin. Today they also make up some of the most common Albanian lineages.


They have nothing to do with Bell Beaker, Corded Ware or any kind of Italic or Celts. And there is nothing that supports an origin from there. Oldest J2b2 we have are from the Balkans and areas close to the Steppes.


Those two Etruscan J2b2 are of Balkan origin and post date Illyian movements into Italy.


E-V13 is a marker which is not even related to the Steppes at this point.

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Illiyrians were a hallstatt derived group.Before them the J2b-L283 Cetina culture was bell beaker in origin(corded ware before that).
So i doubt very much they spoke a Yamnaya derived language, such as greek or armênian , Illiyrian language was likely close to gaulish, just as their genetic composition.
Albanian language likely came from its E-v13 and R1b-Z1023 Yamnaya derived ancestors, or else it would be closer to other western european languages such as the celtic ones.
This is my take on the thing, while i dont mean tô offend by saying you guy's language is very likely not a decendent of illiyrian.Its just my interpretation of current data.

Once again, Nope.

Archaeogenetics link the culture from Yamnaya migrations directly from the steppes that mixed with Neolithic people [2]. The need for copper resulted in the expansion of the Vucedol Culture from its homeland of Slavonia into the broader region of central and southeastern Europe.[3]

According to Bogdan Brukner, proto-Illyrians descended from this wave of Indo-European settlers.

A February 2018 study published in Nature included an analysis of three individuals ascribed to the Vučedol culture. One male carried haplogroup R1b-z2103 and T2e, while the other carried G2a2a1a2a and T2c2. The female carried U4a.[18] In a three-way admixture model, first male approximately had 58% Early European Farmers, 42% Western Steppe Herders and 0% Western Hunter-Gatherer-related ancestry, second male 93% EFF, 4% WSH and 3% WHG while female 37% EEF, 54% WSH and 10% WHG.[19] According to Lazaridis, R1b-z2103 is linked to the Yamnaya migration from the steppes[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vučedol_culture

Cetina is a post-vucedol culture as are Maros, Bela Crkva, proto-Illyrian cultures that were followed by Glasinac Mati which was the last. In Maros we see J2b2+R1b + other lineages and in Albania and among IAPYGIANS we see these same. Vucedol was proto Illyrian Yamnaya + Balkan Neolithic that eventually expanded into the Western Balkans which then formed the Cetina Culture and later Glasinac Mati. The J2b2 in the Adriatic coast is a founder effect of few Illyrian tribes.


J2b2 expanding from Central Europe / BB and supposedly spread IE languages such as Illyrian is nothing but some theory you pulled out of your ass to try and discredit Albanian language to of not come from such a population. You're one of the most lying manipulative people that I have ever seen. And I see even that delusional Croat gave you thumbs up which is the most hilarious part. It was a good thing you got banned, you nutcase. You even tried to log on.

You people are nuts and have no arguments.


Hallstatt is a culture that has nothing to do with Illyrian, it formed 1000 years in Central Europe after Illyrians arrived to the Balkans and 1000 years after Cetina culture. Or even Maros Culture that precede it by 1000 years. Even CW and Beaker culture came before Hallstatt.



You are definitely clueless. There is not a single geneticists that argues paleo-balkan languages came from any BB or CW or that J2b2 has a Bell Beaker expansion. You people are nuts.