Ancient Macedonia DNA

[zebruh]

What are the ancient Macadonian haplogroups?

[Rizza]

What are the ancient Macadonian haplogroups?

I think some R1b and E-l618 at least I remember, and some of the samples are females. I will try and find more info .

[kevinmac]

Dont they carry some trace amount of Indid DNA? Alaxander the greats armies had affairs with the locals in India and brought some back to Macedonia?

[Rizza]

What are the ancient Macadonian haplogroups?

J-Y13128
R-CTS7556
R-CTS1450
C-V86
J-Y13128
R-M269
G-Z6494
J-BY94
E-L618
R-M269

Rest are females

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...is-et-al/page2

[zebruh]

J-Y13128
R-CTS7556
R-CTS1450
C-V86
J-Y13128
R-M269
G-Z6494
J-BY94
E-L618
R-M269

Rest are females

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...is-et-al/page2

They need more pre alexander ancient samples from and near the paeonian plains.
This is a are very small amount samples

[zebruh]

Dont they carry some trace amount of Indid DNA? Alaxander the greats armies had affairs with the locals in India and brought some back to Macedonia?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y146401/

Alexander the greats army (macadonian) J-L283 decendants?

Proto illyrian and proto paeonian -> macadonian likely have a common J-L283 origin.

[zebruh]

I have come to a conclusion that so much of ancient "greek" history is not greek but stolen history by greek nationalist propaganda. Just as they try to steal ancient minoan history who were ageans that were related to carians and native to indo european anatolians ( pre turkic) peoples

[Rizza]

I have come to a conclusion that so much of ancient "greek" history is not greek but stolen history by greek nationalist propaganda. Just as they try to steal ancient minoan history who were ageans that were related to carians and native to indo european anatolians ( pre turkic) peoples

You might be on to something there

''The Greeks had a word for the speaking of Illyrian (illurizein) and recognized a language distinct from Greek As preserved in Strabo's Geography the Greek tradition identified lllyrians as a people {ethnos) different from Macedonians and Thracians as well as from the Greeks. On the other hand, Greek sources are far from clear over any distinction between Illyrian and the inhabitants of Epirus: 'Epirote' as a political or ethnic term was evidently not current before the fourth century BC, and the phrase 'epirote peoples' means no more than 'peoples of the mainland', that is, seen from the island of Corcyra where the (Greeks first settled in the region. It cannot yet be established that there were peoples in the northwest of mainland Greece who spoke a language that was neither Illyrian nor Greek. When Strabo refers to 'bilingual' people beyond the mountains west of Macedonia, the presumption is that the languages spoken were Greek and Illyrian. Ancient writers tell us almost nothing of the Illyrian language, although there is no doubt that it continued to be spoken well into the Roman period. They furnish a handful of authentic Illyrian words, including rhinos' for 'fog', 'sabaius' or 'sabaia', a local variety of beer, and 'sybina' for a lance or hunting-spear. Studies of the Illyrian language must continue to depend on the large number of attributable names, tribal, personal and geographical, preserved in ancient literary and epigraphic sources.''

- The Illyrians, John Wilkes.

[Rizza]

Here Strabo distinguish the Epirote from Greek:

''Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names—Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians—Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes—Epeirotic tribes. [2]''

[catgeorge]

Illyrian language never existed.