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    Haplogroup D-M15 found in Chinese peoples has been the connecting block between Tibetan and Japanese D to the similarly fragmentary distribution of haplogroup D-M174. The migration of hunter-gatherers first and neolithic peoples later drove to a reduce of this lineage.

    Classification

    • D1a-CTS11577
      • D1a1-Z27276
        • D1a1a-M15 Chinese
          • D1a1a1-N1

          • D1a1a2-F1070

        • D1a1b-P47 Tibetans


      • D1a2-Z3660
        • D1a2a-M64.1 Japanese

        • D1a2b-Y34637 Andamanese



    Distribution

    Haplogroup D-M15 (new D1a1a, old D1a) is carried by 23% of Qiang, 9% of Yi and 40% of Guangxi Zhuang (these also account for the intense black spots in haplogroup mappings of D in main China).
    It is carried by 19,4% of low Yao, 12,2% of Mien, 7,3% of low Kimmun, 7,8% of Hmong Daw and 3,4% of Xinhmul (north Laos).
    It is also found in Bai, Dai, Han, Hui, Yao, Miao, Manchu, Xibe and many minorities of Sichuan and Yunnan like Jingpo and Jino.
    It is also carried by 12,5% of Tibetans (where the rest ~30% is accounted by D1a1b-P47/P99); these may have been
    refugees to the west as the neolithic people expanded in China.



    Linguistic implications

    The Qiang people have contributed their name to the modern english word of Chinese, historical dynasties like
    the Qin and the Qing, as well as various toponyms like Qiongdu and Qianzhong.
    The language spoken by D-M15 carriers has been extinct but may have contributed many features to modern Chinese
    varieties. However there is a possibility of a genetic link with the Kusunda language.
    D-M15 is also a good candidate for the origin of the Chinese characters hnz (漢字/汉字).

    Maps and networks


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    Qiang network

    Sources

    1. Genetic Structure of Qiangic Populations Residing in the Western Sichuan Corridor, Chuan-Chao Wang et al 2014

    2. Analyses of Genetic Structure of Tibeto-Burman Populations Reveals Sex-Biased Admixture in Southern Tibeto-Burmans, Bo Wen et al 2004

    3. Male Demography in East Asia: A North–South Contrast in Human Population Expansion Times, Yali Xue et al 2006

    4. Human Migration through Bottlenecks from Southeast Asia into East Asia during Last Glacial Maximum Revealed by Y Chromosomes, Xiaoyun Cai et al 2011
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    Qiang had nothing to do with D-M15,The original Qiang ancient site:Qijia culture was only O3a-m117,The modern Qiang ethnic is grouped by CCP,including lot Tibetans who lives in Qiang area,and Di people,Di people might linked to the D-M15.The modern Qiang and Ancient Qiang and Di people are not same thing.I went to the Qijia site,They had Stilt houses,purely southern origin,which explains the high O3a-m117.
    Qiang and Qin's name is not same thing,Qin means a kind of millet,Qin constantly kills and enslaves the Qiangs.These are enemies.They pronounce differently in Chinese,But similar to those who can't speak Chinese.
    The original Chinese characters are Jiahu symbols,in middle of central plain.

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    Qiang≠D-m15≠Qin≠Qing,"Qing" in manchu language means“bravery” or something,"Qin“in ancient Chinese means a kind of “millet”,These are different things not connect to eachother,You are making things up.

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    Interesting information.
    Well, the fact remains that D-M15 was a major lineage in China before C and O. Not sure if the Qiang can be the actual representatives but for Di who were more northern and with ties to Turkic and Mongolic peoples maybe it is less likely.
    Besides, the majority of those groups were Sinicized, they speak a language of the Sino-Tibetan language family. Unless they were initially Sino-Tibetan speaking and then D-M15 increased for some reason in the Qiang, but it can't be the Tibetans because they have a different D-type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shubotai View Post
    Interesting information.
    Well, the fact remains that D-M15 was a major lineage in China before C and O. Not sure if the Qiang can be the actual representatives but for Di who were more northern and with ties to Turkic and Mongolic peoples maybe it is less likely.
    Besides, the majority of those groups were Sinicized, they speak a language of the Sino-Tibetan language family. Unless they were initially Sino-Tibetan speaking and then D-M15 increased for some reason in the Qiang, but it can't be the Tibetans because they have a different D-type.
    They were all mixed up.In Qijia culture there were one D-m15,Others are all O3a-m117,In Taojiazhai,There were hundreds of O3a-m117,m117 might be the Yan emperors children who lost power in central government struggle and migrant to Tibetan plateau,They mixed with D-m15 people,and migrant southward became southern Qiang,and others continue to migrant to Tibet.

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