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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Target: Feiichy
    Distance: 2.5400% / 0.02539954

    28.4 Venedi
    19.4 Aestii
    18.2 Cimbri
    17.4 Sardinia
    16.0 Cilicia
    0.6 Avaric


    Distance to: Feiichy
    0.05416145 Pannonia_Superior
    0.05450503 Stavanoi
    0.05804575 Sielandia
    0.05863706 Cimbri
    0.05883564 Germania_Superior
    0.05974222 Belgica
    0.06025232 Gallia
    0.06290362 Baiuvaria
    0.06315369 Britannia
    0.06408163 Venedi
    0.06461767 Germania_Inferior
    0.06523515 Holsatia
    0.06618692 Saxoniae_Inferior
    0.06757803 Thracia
    0.06783350 Frisia
    0.06881567 Aquitania
    0.06901580 Gothones
    0.07295257 Pannonia_Savia
    0.07357123 Nordweg
    0.07376959 Noricum
    0.07577457 Gallia_Narbonensis
    0.07746486 Liguria
    0.07783024 Rugia
    0.07801624 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    0.07930923 Histria
    I am surprised you did not complain about this one but we can clearly see who is more Illyrian = me by far.

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    Target: ZeDude_scaled
    Distance: 2.2393% / 0.02239337
    37.4 Thracia
    30.0 Epirus
    23.6 Venedi
    4.8 Sardinia
    2.8 Galatia
    1.0 Sarmatian
    0.4 Cilicia

    Distance to: ZeDude_scaled
    0.03260722 Thracia
    0.05356161 Gallia_Narbonensis
    0.05538916 Epirus
    0.06232779 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    0.07286403 Belgica
    0.07757758 Aquitania
    0.07949963 Macedonia
    0.08433853 Pontus
    0.08647500 Bythinia
    0.09071420 tavanoi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danjojo View Post
    Hmmm...can't find anything on Sielandia doing an internet search.
    I have to complement my last answer.

    Besides

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand

    it could as well refer to

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland

    Maybe distances of this component to others can enlight.
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Target: Dušan_g25
    Distance: 1.2832% / 0.01283241
    37.8 Epirus
    36.2 Aestii
    7.4 Sardinia
    6.2 Galatia
    5.6 Fenni
    3.4 Noricum
    3.4 Venedi

    If Aestii (Balts) removed, got proto-Slavs - Stavanoi and Venedi

    Target: Dušan_g25
    Distance: 1.6342% / 0.01634235
    35.0 Epirus
    34.0 Stavanoi
    20.8 Venedi
    4.0 Fenni
    3.4 Thracia
    2.8 Sardinia
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    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.7521% / 0.01752098
    60.4 Slavic: RUS_Sunghir_MA
    29.8 Roman: SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje
    9.8 Byzantine: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz2

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    all my family results we are from spain but mixed with other european countries:

    Target: papag25
    Distance: 1.0976% / 0.01097559
    33.6 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    22.4 Vasconia
    18.4 Sardinia
    5.2 Caledonia
    5.0 Galatia
    4.6 Noricum
    4.2 Gallia
    3.0 Baetica
    1.6 Ugric
    1.2 Sarmatian
    0.8 Mauretania_Tingitana

    Target: abuelo
    Distance: 0.9002% / 0.00900166
    25.2 Caledonia
    21.6 Vasconia
    18.6 Sardinia
    10.8 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    9.6 Britannia
    6.6 Aegyptus
    3.6 Germania_Superior
    2.0 Corduene
    0.8 Lusitania
    0.6 India
    0.6 Mauretania_Tingitana

    Target: abuela
    Distance: 0.5046% / 0.00504614
    19.8 Gallia
    15.4 Germania_Superior
    14.6 Sardinia
    14.4 Belgica
    7.8 Vasconia
    6.8 Mauretania_Caesariensis
    5.6 Etruria
    5.4 Aestii
    4.0 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    2.6 Mauretania_Tingitana
    2.2 Liguria
    1.0 Macedonia
    0.4 Aegyptus

    Target: g25mama
    Distance: 0.6110% / 0.00611025
    24.0 Gallia
    18.2 Belgica
    16.6 Sardinia
    9.8 Vasconia
    8.6 Aegyptus
    7.8 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    6.4 Britannia
    5.2 Caledonia
    3.0 Mauretania_Tingitana
    0.4 India

    Target: ivang25
    Distance: 0.6380% / 0.00637995
    21.4 Sardinia
    20.6 Hispania_Tarraconensis
    17.0 Britannia
    10.2 Vasconia
    9.6 Noricum
    5.8 Caledonia
    5.2 Mauretania_Tingitana
    3.4 Baetica
    3.2 Galatia
    2.6 Aegyptus
    1.0 Ugric


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    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.1318% / 0.01131822
    25.4 Gothones
    23.8 Gallia_Narbonensis
    18.0 Aestii
    17.0 Cimbri
    7.0 Venedi
    5.4 Sielandia
    2.2 Fenni
    1.0 Vasconia
    0.2 Syria

    Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
    Distance: 1.4842% / 0.01484236
    36.6 Gothones
    19.6 Frisia
    14.0 Cimbri
    13.2 Stavanoi
    11.8 Venedi
    3.6 Rugia
    0.6 Alania
    0.4 Macedonia
    0.2 Avaric

    Target: rothaer_child6_scaled
    Distance: 0.8407% / 0.00840683
    25.8 Venedi
    24.8 Gothones
    13.6 Cimbri
    12.6 Caledonia
    12.4 Gallia_Narbonensis
    4.0 Pontus
    3.2 Stavanoi
    3.0 Frisia
    0.6 Fenni

    Target: rothaer_child7_scaled
    Distance: 1.3680% / 0.01368031
    45.0 Gothones
    17.4 Cimbri
    15.4 Venedi
    11.8 Stavanoi
    8.0 Sielandia
    1.0 Cilicia
    0.8 Syria
    0.6 India

    Target: rothaer_child8_scaled
    Distance: 1.6182% / 0.01618165
    30.6 Cimbri
    25.2 Venedi
    16.0 Gothones
    12.0 Frisia
    10.0 Gallia_Narbonensis
    5.4 Stavanoi
    0.8 Syria

    The children are common children, hence full siblings.

    The calculator is not good as it comprises very overlapping components that then inevitably are arbitrarily chosen in the modelling. A good calculator gives resembling results to individuals with resembling genetics.
    Last edited by rothaer; 10-02-2022 at 02:12 PM.
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    If Aestii (Balts) removed, got proto-Slavs - Stavanoi and Venedi

    Target: Dušan_g25
    Distance: 1.6342% / 0.01634235
    35.0 Epirus
    34.0 Stavanoi
    20.8 Venedi
    4.0 Fenni
    3.4 Thracia
    2.8 Sardinia
    Remove Aestii and Venedi, then you get the calculator stable at least as for the Slavic proportion:

    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.3213% / 0.01321302
    36.2 Gothones
    35.8 Stavanoi
    10.4 Cimbri
    10.2 Gallia_Narbonensis
    3.2 Vasconia
    3.0 Sielandia
    1.2 Fenni

    Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
    Distance: 1.5066% / 0.01506632
    40.0 Gothones
    25.2 Stavanoi
    17.4 Cimbri
    15.0 Frisia
    2.4 Rugia

    Target: rothaer_child6_scaled
    Distance: 1.0003% / 0.01000259
    29.6 Stavanoi
    26.4 Gothones
    17.6 Cimbri
    12.6 Gallia_Narbonensis
    11.0 Caledonia
    1.6 Pontus
    1.2 Fenni

    Target: rothaer_child7_scaled
    Distance: 1.4187% / 0.01418687
    47.8 Gothones
    27.2 Stavanoi
    19.6 Cimbri
    3.0 Thracia
    1.8 Sielandia
    0.6 Fenni

    Target: rothaer_child8_scaled
    Distance: 1.6982% / 0.01698236
    33.4 Cimbri
    29.6 Stavanoi
    26.4 Gothones
    10.6 Gallia_Narbonensis
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Remove Aestii and Venedi, then you get the calculator stable at least as for the Slavic proportion:
    Thanks for advice.



    Target: Dušan_g25
    Distance: 1.6968% / 0.01696841
    57.2 Stavanoi
    35.4 Epirus
    4.4 Fenni
    3.0 Sardinia
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    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.7521% / 0.01752098
    60.4 Slavic: RUS_Sunghir_MA
    29.8 Roman: SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje
    9.8 Byzantine: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz2

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    The calculator is not good as it comprises very overlapping components that then inevitable are arbitrarily chosen in the modelling. A good calculator gives resembling results to individuals with resembling genetics.
    Completely agree. Not a good calculator.

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    I don't score any Near Eastern these Roman samples score

    Target: Rizza
    Distance: 2.1362% / 0.02136161
    55.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    34.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    5.2 WHG
    4.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

    Mostly shared Iron Age Ancestry = more Illyrian

    Significant Near Eastern ancestry and Slavic which you claimed does not exist in Albanians as such ancestry would reduce significantly ANF which is higher in Albanians.

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