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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    It is so funny how ignorant you are into autosomal genetics.

    That sample is very close to Serbian average.

    medieval north Macedonian

    Distance to: MKD_MA:I2530
    0.02649123 Moldovan
    0.02950083 Serbian
    0.03085576 Romanian
    0.03195199 Montenegrin
    0.03443137 Bulgarian
    0.03584209 Bosnian
    0.03609124 Macedonian
    0.03677063 Croatian
    0.03776997 Gagauz
    0.03817394 Slovenian


    This sample is not related to Serbs, it's a sample that dates before the expansion of the Serbs into those territories, most likely is a Macedonian/Bulgarian. Their autosomal profile shifted more South later post 11th century or during the Ottoman period. Practically the same that happened in Montenegro. And no, the sample does not prove anything, because it's an 11th century when we know Slavs expanded there by then and as the tax paying registers show there were Albanians and Vlachs there. Vilajet of Pashtrik 1452/53 for South-Western Kosovo recorded a signficant Albanian population. Of course you have nothing from the Iron Age or Bronze Age or Roman period.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    Damn, this "native/non-native" game is so pathetic, land belongs to those who conquered it and controls it. Now Kosovo is Albanian, I have full sympathy to Serbs and the idea of Serbian Kosovo, but it's Serbian now on paper only.


    Nope, not even on paper actually



    History, for the Serbs, started in the early 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue.

    What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece.

    Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.

    But legally, Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006.

    Until the destruction of the old federal Yugoslavia by Milosevic, Kosovo had a dual status. It was called a part of Serbia; but it was also called a unit of the federation. In all practical ways, the latter sense prevailed: Kosovo had its own parliament and government, and was directly represented at the federal level, alongside Serbia. It was, in fact, one of the eight units of the federal system.

    Almost all the other units have now become independent states. Historically, the independence of Kosovo just completes that process. Therefore, Kosovo has become an ex-Yugoslav state, as any historian could tell you.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../kosovo.serbia

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    Quote Originally Posted by curveball View Post
    I'm not familiar with Crimea, if Tatars were native and they lived there thourghout most of their history then it belongs to them.
    If not, then it's a RU soil... Common sense.
    Tatars? They have no independent country. Most of them chose Russia, and Tatarstan voluntarily expressed its desire to be in the Federation.
    In Crimea, Tatars are maybe 2% of the total population.

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    Je li točan podatak da "Putinov kuhar" Prigožin regrutira dobrovoljce za rat u Ukrajini? Za Kosovo veli da to Srbi mogu sami riješiti, da nije potrebna njihova pomoć?

    U prijevodu: šaljite nam topovsko meso, a zauzvrat ćete dobiti kurac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curveball View Post
    Mainland Serbia(Excluding Kosovo) is in most cases not claimed by no any other paleo-Balkanite ethnic/nation.
    That means Serbs are rightfull owners of what is known central Serbia. Vojvodina is controversial and Kosovo is out of discussion.

    Croatia is not being claimed by anyone therefore they are rightfull owners for example.

    On other hand nations like Macedonia, which was a Greek province B.C if I remember correctly, should in no means belong to Slavs. But to it's rightfull owners - Greeks.
    Slavs don't even by the looks belong to this region.

    Well it's also true that most of southern Slavs ethnics are mixed with paleo-balkan ethnics. Therefore it's pretty possible Serbs,Croats, Bosnians and Albanians have common ancestors.

    So just to return to the main topic, I see no logic of claiming a land where your people migrated to. It's factual that ancestors of Romanians, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians (Thracian ones) lived on Balkan soil and are their rightfull owners of all logical lands they claim. Like Albanians in this case Kosovo, or Greeks - Macedonia/ Instabul.
    Oh yes there is, Albanians are the owners of Nish, Toplica and Presheva area too. Some still remain today even after they got expelled such as in Bujanofc and Presheva. Don't forget Macedonia. Sandzak area had old Albanian population too. Vojvodina was stolen from Hungarians, it is not controversial. Montenegro has Albanians too, used to be much more. We know there were Albanians in all those areas before 17th-18th century and even as a majority in many areas. If the Palestinians can fight to take back their lands why can't Albanians still fight back ? The Albanians in Presheva are literally under illegal occupation. As for this Serb, he's telling you fairytales, these people aren't owners of anything here nor are they the original inhabitants, some tribes that came here and invaded these areas that now larp as the original inhabitants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expuls...7%E2%80%931878

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