Page 1 of 11 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 109

Thread: Islamic scholar asks Christians "Why do you believe that Jesus is God and not "only" a Prophet ?

  1. #1
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Mortimer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:40 AM
    Ethnicity
    Southasian Hunter-Gatherer
    Ancestry
    Mixed - Multiracial - Multicultural
    Country
    Israel
    Region
    City of London
    Religion
    Christianity
    Age
    41
    Gender
    Posts
    86,872
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 58,111
    Given: 58,882

    1 Not allowed!

    Default Islamic scholar asks Christians "Why do you believe that Jesus is God and not "only" a Prophet ?

    "Only" a regular human being and Prophet like Moses or Mohammed? And why do Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God or God?

    I answer with the Prophecy in the Old Testament, Isaiha 9:6 then I quote the New Testament John chapter 1, 1:1 and 1:16 "No one knows God except ..."

    https://www.tiktok.com/@themortimer8...01126733481477
    My AncestryDNA autosomal results [yes it is a link click on it]
    “The patriot, like the Christian, must learn that to bear revilings and persecutions is a part of his duty; and in proportion as the trial is severe, firmness under it becomes more requisite and praiseworthy.” ~ Thomas Jefferson, 1805

  2. #2
    Veteran Member wvwvw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Online
    03-02-2024 @ 11:38 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Homo neogrecous
    Ethnicity
    Yes
    Country
    Japan
    Region
    Acadia
    mtDNA
    H
    Politics
    oh look. the curve is flattening.
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    31,838
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,431
    Given: 241

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    The Christian, Muslim and Jewish Gods are completely different entities and personalities. You only have to ask the Pope to see that this is true. The Christian God is Jesus Christ and is a rational God whereas the Muslim God is Allah and is not bound by rationality and the Jewish God is a tyrant.

    The Jewish god is a completely different entity made up out of the past
 Pharaohs of Egypt and some usurpers who ruled Palestine. Jeremiah identifies
 one of these gods or lords or yhwh's as Necho who gave all of Palestine to
 Nebuchadneser after he lost the battle of Megiddo and this is indisputable.
 Another of the gods of the bible was Apis or Epahpus II otherwise known as
 Sarapis or Apepi II who ruled Egypt at the time of Noah and was a Minoan
 Greek king. The Greeks knew him for what he was, a brutal tyrant, not a role
 model for morality which is what the Jews worship him for. Going back still
 further to the time of Adam and his sons, the god the Jews worship was
 Elioun or the Most High.

    Christ had nothing to do with Sodom or Gomorrah or Jericho or other such events. Those were
 crimes of Tutmoses IV or Amenhotep III who lived at the time of Abraham and
 Ramses III who the Jew's made into their god.

    Why doesn't the Jewish Torah or Talmud every reproach the Jews forefathers
 for serving these tyrants and assisting in their crimes. Why are these crimes and their
 perpetrators glorified and used as role models? The one thing obvious about all forms of YHWHism is that it is a completely artificial religion. It a religion of contrived Nationalism and the religion of terrorists where creating fear is paramont..

    The God of Christianity is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was my deified ancestor and I respect him like all the Greek Gods. Christianity is based on Greek philosophy such as that of Socrates and Plato. Philosophy is about finding out or learning the best way to live your life. Christ said treat you neighbour as yourself and set an example by commiting no sin.

    All of Christs teachings except the references to Judaism were plagiaried from Apolonius and Mary was Myrine the Artemis of Asia Minor. Apollonius volumous works and that of may others on the subject were deliberately destroyed by the Christians.

    There were probably more that one Jesus. Jesus the Appolonius, Jesus the Nazareth, Jesus the rebel, merged into one just like the Tutmoses in Egypt merged into Aegyptus. When the Romans had wiped out all the opposing Essene sects the Church invented Christ, blending in the story of Apollonius and based his divinity on the scriptures of the Jews which most Romans had not read so could not academically challenge them.

    The Church was created as a means of control the people by Constantine. After that it destroyed all the evidence that could undermine its authority by burning down the Library of Alexandria on the edict of Theodosius in 389 AD. It was rebuild and was burned again by Muslims.

    The Church was thus able to bypass the Roman Laws, by claiming that it obtained its laws from God alone and so Constantine was able to rule as Gods chosen King with his edicts sanctioned by the appointed Church instead of the elected Senate.

    The Communion was based on the Teachings of Apollonius and practices of the Essene Jews. Apollonius either founded an Essene order or had contact with them since it was HE and not the Apostles who travelled the world spreading the message and teachings of Greek Philosophers. No Roman record exist for the Acts of the Apostles but many existed concerning the journeys of Apollonius and the Emperors themselves mention his name. Apollonius born of Tarsus was Paul (but not Saul who was a Jew he was mixed up with by the Church)

    You go through Islam and you will find it is a dualist not a monotheist 
religion. Its all about Allah and Satan, and it wasn't very popular which is 
why Mohammed went about imposing it by the sword. Allah himself according the Mohammed's original version had a wife and two daughters which Mohammed later got rid of. The idols Mohammed removed were the equivalent of his families photo album of all of their ancestors and those of their relatives in the tribe he came from. They were not simply stone. They were the equivalent of statues of Winston Churchill and Queen Victoria.

    The Christian God is a deified man, the Jewish God is an amalgamation of 
other Gods and men merged into one and the Arab God is some dead Arab king that had a wife and two daughters that was merged with the Jewish God, whereas Plato's God was purely spiritual.

    Christ himself was a defiedhistoricalindividual so has more validity than the Jewish or Arab God. When I worship Christ I know who he is because he was a manbut those people who worship the Jewish God or the Muslim Godhave no idea who or what they are worshiping and believe in myths rather than in the real Gods who these myths were created for. These people have even tried to steal the idea of a universal God which was adiscovery of the Greek philosophers aloneand merged him with their barbaric mythical Gods so that they are completely schizophrenic and irrational. With the Greek Gods and the God of Plato we know who and what we worship.

  3. #3
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:42 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic Celtic Romance
    Ethnicity
    Central/Northwestern Euro
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Posts
    7,861
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,976
    Given: 447

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Because even Mo knew how much of a pervert he was, so to prevent his inner circle from revolting he wisely settled for "prophet", realizing that they knew he had children of conquered settlements brought to him to be sexually abused and later killed as infidel spawn, who doubtless would have exposed him as a pedophile and caused many outside his inner circle to abandon his conversions by the sword.

  4. #4
    Veteran Member wvwvw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Online
    03-02-2024 @ 11:38 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Homo neogrecous
    Ethnicity
    Yes
    Country
    Japan
    Region
    Acadia
    mtDNA
    H
    Politics
    oh look. the curve is flattening.
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    31,838
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,431
    Given: 241

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Jesus Christ 'was GREEK and not Jewish': Amazon Prime documentary claims ancient philosopher Apollonius of Tyan who preached and performed miracles was actually the Son of God

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cumentary.html

  5. #5
    Veteran Member wvwvw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Online
    03-02-2024 @ 11:38 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Homo neogrecous
    Ethnicity
    Yes
    Country
    Japan
    Region
    Acadia
    mtDNA
    H
    Politics
    oh look. the curve is flattening.
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    31,838
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,431
    Given: 241

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    The so-called prophets were children who the
 Egyptians took away from their families and educated in Egypt, (a practise
which was also followed by the Romans according to Josephus) and then sent
 to Palestine as ambassadors of whoever was Pharaoh. This is why they could
 get away with castigating every king of Judea and Israel that did not do
 what Pharaoh (their Lord God) wanted.

  6. #6
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Mortimer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:40 AM
    Ethnicity
    Southasian Hunter-Gatherer
    Ancestry
    Mixed - Multiracial - Multicultural
    Country
    Israel
    Region
    City of London
    Religion
    Christianity
    Age
    41
    Gender
    Posts
    86,872
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 58,111
    Given: 58,882

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Jesus Christ 'was GREEK and not Jewish': Amazon Prime documentary claims ancient philosopher Apollonius of Tyan who preached and performed miracles was actually the Son of God

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cumentary.html
    That Jesus was Greek or one of many Greek Gods like other Greek Gods is Greek Nationalist but not actually truly Christian.
    My AncestryDNA autosomal results [yes it is a link click on it]
    “The patriot, like the Christian, must learn that to bear revilings and persecutions is a part of his duty; and in proportion as the trial is severe, firmness under it becomes more requisite and praiseworthy.” ~ Thomas Jefferson, 1805

  7. #7
    Insufferable by many Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    -
    Country
    Antarctica
    Politics
    Bros over hoes
    Gender
    Posts
    18,635
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11,252
    Given: 13,609

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Jesus Christ 'was GREEK and not Jewish':
    BarcelonaAtlantis disagrees.

  8. #8
    Sup? Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Colonel Frank Grimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Spanish
    Ethnicity
    Galician
    Country
    United States
    Region
    West Virginia
    Y-DNA
    Powerful Male
    mtDNA
    Powerful Female
    Politics
    Of the school of Ron Jeremy
    Hero
    Your mom
    Religion
    Rationalist Materialism
    Gender
    Posts
    24,832
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 24,857
    Given: 12,729

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    BarcelonaAtlantis disagrees.
    That guy was hilarious.

    That being said, the pope would not agree that the OT God is different than the NT. It's considered heresy to say so.

    Wwww is an odd person.
    Last edited by Colonel Frank Grimes; 10-06-2022 at 05:04 PM.

  9. #9
    Ein einzelner Gefangener.. Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    PlattitüdenPaule's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2021
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Hinterwald
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Horse-Human of Wyoming
    Ethnicity
    Hillbilly
    Country
    Germany
    Y-DNA
    R1b-U106/R-Z156
    mtDNA
    U5b2
    Taxonomy
    Country Boy
    Politics
    Zeitzeuge einer Zeitenwende
    Hero
    Klaus Störtebeker, Kurt Knispel
    Gender
    Posts
    2,899
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,409
    Given: 5,264

    6 Not allowed!

    Default

    I still dont get, why I, as an European should worship a man from the middle east, jewish or not.
    Runen raunen rechten Rat, über eiserne Felder nun zur Tat!

  10. #10
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2022
    Last Online
    06-16-2023 @ 05:04 PM
    Ethnicity
    Med, North-, North-West Europe
    Country
    Netherlands
    Gender
    Posts
    82
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 38
    Given: 17

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    This has been answered and explained sufficiently in our ancient apologies, dialogues and formal royal addresses. I doubt the question is sincere because a scholar critical of the Christian claim would be familiar with the sources and not interested in the answers of random Christians.

    In short, we believe that Christ is God because we identify him as the Logos, the incarnate theologos, a doctrine clearly formulated by St. Justin Martyr in his second petition to the Emperor and the Senate of Rome. This doctrine excludes him from being a prophet only.

Page 1 of 11 12345 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 60
    Last Post: 03-23-2022, 01:22 PM
  2. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 08-02-2019, 09:26 AM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-25-2019, 06:22 PM
  4. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-10-2012, 02:31 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •