Greece vs Türkiye

[Babak]

what happens if a NATO country attacks another NATO country?

Wont happen.

[Incal]

In the end, the outcome would be defined by the air force. In any case, Greece is worth saving more than Turkey. So I'd say Hellas.

[Plutarch]

Wont happen.

Happened not even two weeks ago. The American attacks on three pipelines of the Nord Stream systems (they targeted all four, but one was undamaged if I remember correctly) are considered by NATO attacks on its members’ infrastructure.

Hybrid attacks between member states will continue and increase in the future.

By the way, there’s a common misconception that NATO states have an obligation to help members that are attacked—they don’t.

[Mejgusu]

Wont happen.

Years ago it nearly happened:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia

In the end I agree with you, both countries bark but if Washington/Nato says something they will be silent. Türkiye is clearly the aggressor and Greece doesn’t understand that some countries are winding them up, leaders of both countries need to win elections next year. Erdogan could do everything for staying president, and even hardcore Kemalists don’t accept current borders. He didn’t get his war in Kurdistan after Putin said no, if the economic situation won’t get better he will find a war, but I don’t know where.

[mitalit]

Happened not even two weeks ago. The American attacks on three pipelines of the Nord Stream systems (they targeted all four, but one was undamaged if I remember correctly) are considered by NATO attacks on its members’ infrastructure.

Hybrid attacks between member states will continue and increase in the future.

By the way, there’s a common misconception that NATO states have an obligation to help members that are attacked—they don’t.

Really? I have always thought that the NATO countries were obliged to defend another NATO country

[Dušan]

I support our Orthodox sister Greece in any conflict.

[catgeorge]

Really? I have always thought that the NATO countries were obliged to defend another NATO country

Greece trusts NATO very little

NATO allowed Turks to invade Cyprus and then Greece had a NATO inspired coup in the 70s.

NATO is useless to Greece the only good thing about it is access to modern armaments. The only half decent treaty Greece has is a Defence Pact with France since 12-18 months ago. Unlike Germans - French dont want Turks in the EU.

[wvwvw]

Turkish military is stronger, because they have more ressources.

Twaddle. Turkish military is no fucking way stronger. They are numerically but war is no longer fought with swords.
What counts is the equipment, the armament, the training, if you are a defender or an attacker and above all it still counts the moral of your army.

Greece is stronger in quality over quantity.

Did you ever see Türkiye threatening Iran or Egypt with war? No, because they aren’t small and weaker(comparing to them).

Neither Iran nor Egypt nor even much weaker Bulgaria sits on natural gas worth 26 TRILLION US dollars. Greece and Cyprus do. And tTurkey is after to steal their EEZ.

If Turkey attempts anything, Greece has made it clear that there isn’t going to be a localized event, but it will be total war.

If they attempt to seize an island for example, which is not as easy as some believe, not to say impossible as that would require superiority in the air, Greece will strike everywhere, and even seize the only islands that Turkey has Imvros and Tenedos, which had 100% Greek population and were given to Turkey under condition they would remain autonomous. Greece might seize land in Turkey as well. It is very likely that it will result in the maiming of Turkey.

Their navy is a joke, their planes are not updated, their pilots are either old men, or Pakistanis. Turkey cannot win this one.

[wvwvw]

There is widespread irritation and concern in the Turkish media about Greek military equipment, which puts Ankara's strategies on ice in the Aegean Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean. Rafales, modernised F-16s and in the background... F-35s - along with Belharra frigates - cause irritation, due to their radars, multiple launch systems and missiles.

Speaking on a CNN Türk show, military editor and analyst Özay Şendir admitted that Greece is gaining a significant advantage with the new fighters, which cannot be covered even if Turkey finally acquires new F-16s from the US.

"Let's talk the truth. If the US gives us the new F-16s and if we modernise the other F16s we have, we cannot balance our forces against the Rafales that Greece has and the F-35s that it will get later," said Şendir when explaining the Rafale and F-35 capabilities.

“The Rafale and F-35 launch Meteor missiles while the F-16 cannot. The air force of Greece will now have a firing range of 320 km. Today they have 6 Rafale, not a big force. But in 2026 they will have received all the Rafales and in 2027 all the modernised F-16s.

"In 2028, deliveries of the F-35 will begin," he continued.

The military editor repeated in his statement that today Greece has 6 Rafales with a firing range of 320 km - a fact that will not change in the future, even if Turkey acquires American F-16s.

"Today they have 6 Rafales in Greece, but we do not have such aircraft with a range of 320 km, even if we take the F-16s," concluded Şendir.

[Autrigón]

Twaddle. Turkish military is no fucking way stronger. They are numerically but war is no longer fought with swords.
What counts is the equipment, the armament, the training, if you are a defender or an attacker and above all it still counts the moral of your army.

Greece is stronger in quality over quantity.



Neither Iran nor Egypt nor even much weaker Bulgaria sits on natural gas worth 26 TRILLION US dollars. Greece and Cyprus do. And tTurkey is after to steal their EEZ.

If Turkey attempts anything, Greece has made it clear that there isn’t going to be a localized event, but it will be total war.

If they attempt to seize an island for example, which is not as easy as some believe, not to say impossible as that would require superiority in the air, Greece will strike everywhere, and even seize the only islands that Turkey has Imvros and Tenedos, which had 100% Greek population and were given to Turkey under condition they would remain autonomous. Greece might seize land in Turkey as well. It is very likely that it will result in the maiming of Turkey.

Their navy is a joke, their planes are not updated, their pilots are either old men, or Pakistanis. Turkey cannot win this one.

Are you joking? Turkey could fuck not only Greece but all eastern Europe in a few weeks. Turkey has "hot borders" so they invest more resources in their army than Greece or any other small countries in Europe.

I'm not saying I support Turkey but reality is reality.