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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    There are similar cases here, that some priests drive expensive cars, but not all of them are like that.

    Here is a photo of our former Patriarch, riding in a tram, in public transport, with ordinary people.
    He lived a very modest life.

    He was very loved among Serbian people. Rest in peace dear father Pavle.

    Most of priests normally need cars as they have big families, I dunno how it goes in Serbia, but here it's a shame for parochians if the priest drives a junk car. It's often a case when some of richer parochians buy new car and gives his previous one as a present to a priest. I'm not talking about posh cars, but quality ones which can fulfill needs of the priest's family and church needs. Ordinary priests of some random church here are busy whole day, liturgies, baptismals, visits of the ill ones, those who need confession and Eucharist nearby to death, it would be shame if the priest will be late. Normally, priests are the same people as we are who have a special blessing from the Lord to give us something no one more can give, the Divine sacraments. I'm normally barely interested in human flaws of random priests, just like I'm not interested in flaws of random doctor (especially if he's a good specialist). Priests have a hard mission and for everything they've done and didnt do they will respond to the Lord, I'd better pray for them. Everything else is just ordinary human envy, because someone being more or less rich than me does not make me "warmer or colder" if I'm not envious. Envy condition makes people itch and boil and they turn it in some false excused feeling of justice seeking, not even caring they're condemning not just exact person but everyone of this kind (priests, doctors, politicians etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    Most of priests normally need cars as they have big families, I dunno how it goes in Serbia, but here it's a shame for parochians if the priest drives a junk car. It's often a case when some of richer parochians buy new car and gives his previous one as a present to a priest. I'm not talking about posh cars, but quality ones which can fulfill needs of the priest's family and church needs. Ordinary priests of some random church here are busy whole day, liturgies, baptismals, visits of the ill ones, those who need confession and Eucharist nearby to death, it would be shame if the priest will be late. Normally, priests are the same people as we are who have a special blessing from the Lord to give us something no one more can give, the Divine sacraments. I'm normally barely interested in human flaws of random priests, just like I'm not interested in flaws of random doctor (especially if he's a good specialist). Priests have a hard mission and for everything they've done and didnt do they will respond to the Lord, I'd better pray for them. Everything else is just ordinary human envy, because someone being more or less rich than me does not make me "warmer or colder" if I'm not envious. Envy condition makes people itch and boil and they turn it in some false excused feeling of justice seeking, not even caring they're condemning not just exact person but everyone of this kind (priests, doctors, politicians etc).
    I am not talking against priests here, just noted that our former Patriarch lived very modest.

    And he was very loved in our nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    I am not talking against priests here, just noted that our former Patriarch lived very modest.

    And he was very loved in our nation.

    Sure, i know. Good for him, I just state we cannot demand way of life of black monks from white monks. Because I see Patriarch Pavle as "an example to every priest" (which is irrelevant example of a monk to a priest) very often from those people who condemn priests non stop, here in Russia, too.
    Quis separabit?

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    According to data from 2021, the Church (Christian Orthodox) is one of the most trusted institutions in Romania (2nd place).
    However, under the current Patriarch it become more like a secular institution, focused on material/financial issues. As it was mentioned, the Patriarch Daniel, had a nickname in his professional circle, "The Great White". Recorder, a media platform created by investigative journalists, released a documentary about him and his "gang" last year. It gathered around 3.6 million views. Other incidents with more or less media coverage, related to different priests/monks, followed. So, this has an impact on the public's opinion. But, as we know, things from media, should also be taken with a grain of salt.
    On the other hand, there are clerics with a sense of duty but they are usually don't seek the spotlight. They focus more on the small communities that they parish.
    So, to answer to the last question, is difficult to give an accurate prognosis of the future. I reckon that, while the trust in the Church as an institution and in certain clerics, can decrease over the time, there still will be people with faith in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    Because of this I've been considered myself an atheist for a long time. Recently I changed my mind but I started exploring other ideologies.
    Off topic, but which religion or ideology/philosophy would you embrace?


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