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    Default The Sea People and the Trojan War

    The Trojan War and the Sea Peoples attack against Egypt, are two simultaneous events.

    First attack on Egypt c.1206 BC repelled by Merneptah, Amenemses and Seti II in 1195-3 BC with the Sea People as their allies. Second attack on Egypt was by Meneleus in 1175 BC and was repeled by Ramses III/Theoclymenos. Trojen War 1193-1183 BC. Abduction of Helen 1203 BC. Exodus 1193 BC.

    Menelaus attack on Egypt was in reprisal to Memnon the king of Ethiopia (Merneptah-Siptah) sending force to assist the Trojans.

    Try reading the Inscription of Ramses III and looking at the murals of the naval battle, read up of the history of Setnakte and Twasret and then read Helen by Euripides and Book 2 of Herodotus Histories on Proetus. They are all exactly the same account of Menelaus attack on Egypt.

    Manentho says that lower Egypt was ruled by Amenemses and that Ethiopia was ruled by another Pharaoh who owed Amenemses a favour. These two pharaohs along with Seti II grandson of Ramses II all took part in the expulsion of the Sea Peoples. The story of the Phantom Helen was not part of Homers account as Herodotus makes perfectly clear. This story was invented somewhere between 800 and 650 BC and based on Egyptian texts brought back by the Ionians.

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    • 1212 BC Amenophis/Amenemses becomes pharaoh of Egypt after Ramses II

    • 1211 BC Seti is born to Amenemses

    • 1206 BC Egypt is invaded by an alliance of Sea Peoples led by the Teukrians.

    Menelaus marries Helen and the Greeks pledges him allegiance. Amenemses and Seti aged 5 flee from Memphis to Ethiopia.

    • 1203 BC Helen is abducted by Paris the prince of Troy.
    • 1201 BC Agamemnon leads the Greeks to Asia Minor but the cannot find the Trojans. The Trojans were in Egypt. They didn't return to Troy until Merneptah expelled them.
    • 1200 BC Merneptah becomes king at Memphis. Paris arrives in Egypt with Helen and is entertained by Proteus.
    [Euripides says he was blown off course and ended up in Egypt where he left Helen behind. More likely Paris came to reinforce the Teukrian forces after sacking Sparta and abducting the women.

    Everyone claimed they were king of Memphis even Amenemses. In reality Memphis was abandoned in 1206 BC to the invaders. So anyone could claim kingship like Proteus.

    • 1195 BC Proteus finds out that Paris has committed a crime against the Greeks and orders him to leave. Merneptah begins his campaign against the Sea Peoples and after one year finally expels the Teukrians. His allies included the Akawasha (Achaeans), Luka (Αchaean Lycians), Tursha (Tyrsenoi or Tyrennians), Sheklesh (Cycladians/Sikeloi or Sicilians) and the Sherden (Sardinia). Merneptah says Teukrinas

    "Tjehenu is vanquished, Khatti at peace"

    The Teucrians were neghbours of the Hittites. Merneptah starts his list at Troy then moves to eastern Anatolia then down through Palestine to Egypt listing the peoples as they appear in order.

    • 1194 BC Paris is expelled from Egypt and returns to Troy. (After a six year orgy of rape and pillage). Amenemses and his son Seti take part in the expulsion of the Sea Peoples in the 13th year of Amenemses reign.

    Spring Orestes the son of Agamemnon is born.

    • 1193 BC The death of the Egyptian first born occurs. Amenemses dies.

    Merneptah-Siptah the son of Seti II rules after Seti II is deposed by Merneptah-Siptah's Syrian butler Bey/Arsu who is made chancellor.

    Bey/Arsu imposes extreme taxes on the people and deprives the temples of their tribute. The Red Sea Canaanites defeated by Merneptah migrate north and the myth of the biblical exodus created.

    Summer Iphigenia the daughter of Agamemnon is born.

    Autumn Agamemnon lays siege to Troy

    • 1187 BC Seti II dies at the age of 25 according to the X-ray dating of his mummy. Twosret the widow of Seti II becomes queen
    • 1185 BC Setnakhte becomes Pharaoh.
    • 1184 BC Winter Troy falls to Agamemnon after Odysseus devises a wooden horse siege engine.

    • 1183 BC January 13 Agamemnon returns to Mycenae is murdered by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. Menelaus failing to find Helen at Troy heads for Egypt. Agapenor is blown off course and arrives in Cyprus.

    • 1182 BC Ramses III/Theoclymenos becomes Pharaoh of Egypt.

    Menelaus embarks on campaigns in Syria, Cyprus, Libya and Egypt. Teucer is exiled from Salamis and founds another Salamis in Cyprus.

    • 1175 BC Proteus dies. Setnakhte is buried in the tomb of Twosret. Merneptah-Siptah dies at the age of 20 according to the X-ray dating of his mummy. Ramses III/Theoclymenos expels the Sea Peoples that attacked Egypt. Orestes murders Clytemnestra and Aegisthus.

    • 1171 BC Jericho falls to Joshua.
    • 1151 BC Ramses III dies.
    • 1150 BC Demophon dies in Cyprus.

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    The Teukrians (Trojans) invaded Mycenae in 1203 BC and this is documented
 archaeologically. They kidnapped and raped many Achaean women and the Greeks sought revenge. During this same period the Teukrians are documented by the Egyptians as being part of the alliance of 9 Bows who invaded Egypt during the reign of Merneptah. The Danaan alliance of Menelaus is also documented by the Inscription of Raises III, which names Danai, Spartans, Arcadian Pelasgians and Cypriot Pelasgians and depicted the sea battle in which Menelaus was defeated.

    Eight years after the Trojan War Teucer led a migration from the Greek island of Salamis to Cyprus. Agapenor of Arcadia also led a migration to Cyprus after Troy was captured. So Cyprus was colonised by Greeks from Arcadia, Salamis and Athens.

    The Cypriot Teukrians were named after Teuker the son of Telamon who came to Cyprus after the Trojan War and founded Salamis which was named after the Greek island his father came from. Which is why Egyptians inscriptions name his people who attacked Egypt from Cyprus Tjeker or Teukrians. This attack together with that of Menelaus whose people the Egyptians called Sped (ie. Spatans) is also confided by Euripides in Helen.

    Apollodorus says that Teukros was expelled from Salamis by his father and went to Cyprus and founded another Salamis. His mother Hesione was from Troy.
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    Ramses III says they were united politically and so does Homer. Agamemnon was their chosen leader and High King.

    Homer says that all the Greek kings made a treaty of alliance in 1215 BC at the marriage of Helen. In 1201 BC they chose Agamemnon as there leader. Egyptian texts confirm this alliance.

    Inscription of Ramses III

    "The foreign countries made a conspiracy in their islands. All at once the
 lands were removed and scattered in the fray. No land could stand before
 their arms, from Hatti, Kode, Carchemish, Arzawa, and Alishiya on, being cut
 off. A camp was set up in one place Amurru. They desolated its people, and
 its land was like that which had never come into being. They were coming
 forward toward Egypt, while the flame was prepared before them. Their
 confederation was the Peleset, Tjeker, Skekelesh, Denyen, and Weshesh, lands
united. They laid their hands upon the land as far as the circuit of the
 earth, their hearts confident and trusting: "Our plans will succeed"...

    They were lands united, Greece was Greece, Lycia, Sicily, Sardinia, Libya, Palestine, and wherever Greeks were.

    Libya was a Greek colony founded by Libya the daughter of Epaphus since 1600 BC. Sardinia a Greek colony since 1400 BC.

    According to the inscription of Merneptah the Trojans were allied of the Libyans and invaded Egypt. Tithonus was the leader of the Trojans who rulled Egypt after the death of Seti I. This event occurred at the time of Paris abduction of Helen and is the basis of Herodotus account of the expulsion of Paris from Egypt by Proetus.

    "Woe to Libyans, they have ceased to live
    In the good manner of roaming the field;
    In a single day their stride was halted
    In a single year were the Tjehenu burned!"

    Tjehenu= Trojens

    Paucanius says [Pausanius.10.17.2] The first sailors to cross to the island are said to have been "Libyans". Their leader was Sardus, son of Maceris, the Maceris surnamed Heracles by the Egyptians and Libyans. Maceris himself was celebrated chiefly for his journey to Delphi (1488 BC)

    The name "Makeris" is similar with the north African "Makai", who wear their hair in mohawk style (Her.4.175, 5.42)

    Mohawk would probably have been based on the Crested Helmets of the Trojans, just like the North American Indian Mohawks are based on the Crested Helmets of the Greek and Roman fleets that regularly traded with the Americas. The Libyans of the 18 and 19th Dynasty times were portrayed as white skinned. This is because they were descended form Libya the daughter of Epahus the son of Io the daughter of Inachus and Poseidon which implies they are a Greco-Phoenician colony.

    Phoenicia was an outright vassal of Egypt. As far as all Greek writers were concerned it was an Egyptian colony founded by Phoenix the son of Agenor who was the Egyptian Hyksos Pharaoh Aqenienre Apepi III who's origin was from Argos, Greece.

    Lycia was a colony named after Lycus the son of Pandion which dates this name for the colony to 1246 BC which is when Aegeus regained the Athenian throne. The Greek colony was originally founded by Serpedon in about 1300 BC.

    Hittite texts also name Odysseus = Attarsiya as a king of the Ahhiyawah = Achaeans, who was raiding parts of Asia Minor in the reign of Suppiluliama II (Priam) which was the time of the Trojan War. Apollodorus states that Odysseus/Attarsiya went to Cyprus with Menelaus in order to force Cinyras to provide ships to attack Troy with.

    The Hittites also name the Greek province of Lycia as Lukka and was said by them to be a land of the Achaeans/Ahhiyawa. They also refer Millius= Milawata, and Cyprus is refered to by the name of its first king Aerias(ia) = Alasia (where Mycenean L and R are interchangeable).

    The Lucanians are the same tribe as the Achaean Lycians and thus were descended from king Minos troops who reached Italy in about 1240 BC.

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