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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Blame bing automatic translator.

    Do you see Trump as a dictator 'Putin style'?
    I think there's a consensus among europeans that yes, he's a wannabe Putin. That's why it's so bizarre to see so many americans defend him as a 'freedom fighter' or something like that.

    The cause must the big replacement of traditional white american people by massive mass immigration, and Trump being the only one who stands up against it, I guess.
    Trump was not as bad as Putin by any stretch, but that has as much or more to do with America's robust democratic system than him necessarily being a 'better' man.

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    Doesn't seem Putin is under any type of threat from the people.

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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    Furthermore, as I have said before, there are different degrees of both democracy AND dictatorship, it isn't as simple as saying a regime is fully one thing or the other. Most dictatorships are not as extreme as North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Eritrea; nor are most democracies as free and open as Switzerland. Was the way in which either Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak became PM truly 'democratic'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_master View Post
    Sorry, but Orbán not a dictator! But the most of the rest are.
    Well, he's been democratically elected that's true.

    I guess his voters value more his 'initiatives against abortion and LGBTI communities and to restrict immigration' than the ones which 'undermined the independence of the judiciary and limited press freedom'. And corruption in Hungary is quite high too.

    One thing in common these 'dictators' seem to have, at least in formal democracies, is to confront mass immigration and other politically correct matters that other politicians don't dare to confront.
    There's a price to pay, they undermine freedom and rights, but for many people is a price worth paying.

    In the case of EL Salvador and Philipines is not massive immigration bur massive crime.

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    Bottom line is if the people want them in power who da Fark are you to "dictate" otherwise.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Well, he's been democratically elected that's true.

    I guess his voters value more his 'initiatives against abortion and LGBTI communities and to restrict immigration' than the ones which 'undermined the independence of the judiciary and limited press freedom'. And corruption in Hungary is quite high too.

    One thing in common these 'dictators' seem to have, at least in formal democracies, is to confront mass immigration and other politically correct matters that other politicians don't dare to confront.
    There's a price to pay, they undermine freedom and rights, but for many people is a price worth paying.

    In the case of EL Salvador and Philipines is not massive immigration bur massive crime.
    Since when is Russia under Putin a "bastion of White racial homogeneity"? Russia has lots of immigrants particularly from the Caucasus and Central Asia, some of whom have even fought recently in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Putin is a leader that people want in power.

    You cant have your cake and eat it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Putin is a leader that people want in power.

    You cant have your cake and eat it too.
    Do you think that elections in Russia and democratic and clean?.

    Putin political or journalist opponents are simply murdered, Putin friends who dare to do some criticism commit suicide in mass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Trump was not as bad as Putin by any stretch, but that has as much or more to do with America's robust democratic system than him necessarily being a 'better' man.
    Researchers from Princeton University and Northwestern University have concluded, after extensive analysis of 1,779 policy issues, that the U.S. is in fact an oligarchy and not a democracy. What this means is that, although 'Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance,' 'majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts.' Their study , published in Perspectives on Politics, found that 'When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.'


    Karl Marx argued that there is a gap in liberal capitalist society between the political sphere and what he calls “civil society,” meaning social and economic existence. In the former—at the ballot box, for example—men and women appear equal and autonomous, each of them counting as one; but this simply serves to mask the actual divisions, inequalities and dependencies of everyday life. It is as though the political dimension abstracts from these conditions, so that citizens become pale simulacra of themselves. Only if democratic self-government were extended to civil society itself—in, for example, workers’ self-management—would this gap be closed.

    For Karl Marx, then, the liberal-democratic political sphere is less than fully real; and what we have witnessed in the West in recent years is a full-blooded reaction to this fact—not just a theoretical rejection of orthodox politics, but one that has taken to the streets in over-whelming numbers. It is not just this or that aspect of political life that has been discredited, but the political as such, so that the most powerful nation in the world elected as its leader a sinister buffoon(Trump) drafted in from reality TV—in fact, the very incarnation of unreality—rather than lend credence to the conventional political process. Not since the 1930s have we seen such a mass loss of faith in the liberal middle-class political consensus. There have been outbreaks of class warfare and talk of violent revolution, all of it fired by a fury, hatred and despair very far from the sedate, civilised climate of Westminster or Capitol Hill. The ruling class has been publicly trashed, mocked, hooted and howled down, which was not generally the case in the days of Winston Churchill or John F. Kennedy. Politics has become a rough-house, in which you are likely to have your skull smashed in if you find yourself in the wrong spot at the wrong time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Do you think that elections in Russia and democratic and clean?.

    Putin political or journalist opponents are simply murdered, Putin friends who dare to do some criticism commit suicide in mass...
    Yes I think the elections in Russia are highly legitimate if you understand the history of the people - which I suggest you research on the Russian people and their history of the past 600 years.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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