R1b subclades in Western Europe

[Dick]

Anyone know if there's a similar map for Eastern europe? Turns out that Vlade Divac is R1b, his son did a test. His tall height must be from indo-europeans

[vikiingMallorcaSpain]

Anyone know if there's a similar map for Eastern europe? Turns out that Vlade Divac is R1b, his son did a test. His tall height must be from indo-europeans

Im DF27 my haplo is R-Z278 and for my maternal surname(i tested my maternal grandfather) is R-Z295

[vikiingMallorcaSpain]

double.

[HectorOfTroy]

So this map disproves the notion that Iberian celts are connected to British Isles celts/britons, even though they're both dark, interesting

[Bart0s]

Vlade Divac is R1b-Z2103 apparently. R1b-Z2103 isn't that common in Western Europe. In Italy a lot of it, if not most of it, is either from recent Balkan immigrants like Greeks, Albanians or Bronze Age / Iron Age Illyrian migrants from the Western Balkans I am pretty sure such as the Iapygians/Messapians who also brought J2b2-L283. There are also branches of R1b-Z2103 found in Iron Age Northern Macedonia.

This is a proto-Illyrian marker for sure but also found among few Bronze Age Bulgarian samples together with R1a-Z93 and there are different branches / clades. I think more Ancient DNA needs to be found to establish how all these lineages spread. So far J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 lack in samples in Italy prior to proto-Illyrian migration same way some of the R-L2, R-L51 in the Balkans can be contributed to some Italics.

[Bart0s]

R1b-Z2103 is also very common in Armenians apparently

[Russki]

So this map disproves the notion that Iberian celts are connected to British Isles celts/britons, even though they're both dark, interesting

This map doesn't "prove" or "disprove" anything because it's unsourced.

But certainly there is not much connection between the British Isles and Iberia, besides the general European connection that all Europeans are related.

[Bart0s]

This map doesn't "prove" or "disprove" anything because it's unsourced.

But certainly there is not much connection between the British Isles and Iberia, besides the general European connection that all Europeans are related.

Iberia is a region that is clearly much more recently linked with Western Europe and Central Europe through Corded Ware and Bell Beakers than say a region like the Balkans.

Iberian languages died out during Roman period but whatever IE languages were spoken there came from CW. There is also Basques which is non-IE but so was Etruscan despite they show IE influence. Iberia however has a lot of pre-IE influence and this can also be seen by where IA / BA Iberia plots .

[vikiingMallorcaSpain]

So this map disproves the notion that Iberian celts are connected to British Isles celts/britons, even though they're both dark, interesting

When i go to see in SNPTracker.com my haplo is DF27 but it exist in England and some L21 exists in Iberia(north) it depends on the subclade

[ScandinavianCelt]

So this map disproves the notion that Iberian celts are connected to British Isles celts/britons, even though they're both dark, interesting

This map doesn't "prove" or "disprove" anything because it's unsourced.

But certainly there is not much connection between the British Isles and Iberia, besides the general European connection that all Europeans are related.

the R-M269 branched in various directions from central European areas, with various mutations leading to diff subclade titles, but while the y-chromosomes may be very similar still and have the same common grandpas, there is so much other DNA that's gotten mixed into these areas which makes each group/region more and more unique. I like this chart for easy view of R-M269 subclades: