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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    That's part of the global phenomenon called "English-language privilege", which I discuss here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...privilege-quot
    So it's clearly a pro-English (or rather a pro-globalist) attitude to partly replace Russian language addresses with those absolutely unneeded English words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    So it's clearly a pro-English (or rather a pro-globalist) attitude to partly replace Russian language addresses with those absolutely unneeded English words.
    At least in part, yes. As a native English-speaker myself, I find the way English increasingly overrides other languages - even in countries where it has no official status at all (including Russia) - deeply regrettable and an assault on (genuine) cultural and linguistic diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    At least in part, yes. As a native English-speaker myself, I find the way English increasingly overrides other languages - even in countries where it has no official status at all (including Russia) - deeply regrettable and an assault on (genuine) cultural and linguistic diversity.
    Indeed. And much unfortunately, the influence is much bigger than barely linguistical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Yes because they were influenced by a different civilisationsal source: Byzantium, with its anti-pluralistic, anti-rational, authoritarian mindset.
    Russia is interesting because it is an Orthodox Christian nation independent from foreign rule; muslim mongol hordes only requested some taxes, they didn't directly rule over them and were defeated after 2 centuries anyway.
    In the west the church became the single most important social institution after the western half of the roman empire divided in multiple independent states. That seems to have been a blessing because that forced the rulers to respect to a certain degree the private property of aristocracy and citizens and the freer development of autonomous cities. Ideas and their exchange became crucial element of western civilization, with theological and philosophical debates dividing the intellectuals. Nothing that could be compared to that happened in the east, especially in Russia.
    In Russia, like in other eastern cultures it is considered intrinsically immoral to disagree with the majority and that's why it is so easy for rulers to impose totalitarian rule. It's in their veins, it is an ancient attitude that has nothing to do with communism. Communist dictatorship instead was facilitated by that attitude.

    It's not like in the west such things never happened (authoritarian rulers, propaganda) but there were always strong opponents to that kind of behaviour so that it wasn't that overwhelming. Russians didn't develop private institutions that could put a brake to the ruler's ambitions.
    "it is considered intrinsically immoral to disagree with the majority"

    This is exactly the case for today's west. Any opinion contrary to the mainstream will be censored, removed, prosecuted and you can end up being canceled, your career, reputation and financial existance ruined/endangered.

    Thus I disagree it is some trait unique only to Russia and other eastern cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    "it is considered intrinsically immoral to disagree with the majority"

    This is exactly the case for today's west. Any opinion contrary to the mainstream will be censored, removed, prosecuted and you can end up being canceled, your career, reputation and financial existance ruined/endangered.

    Thus I disagree it is some trait unique only to Russia and other eastern cultures.
    In Russia and the East the effects are often more deadly and crude than the conformism and censorship in the West though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    In Russia and the East the effects are often more deadly and crude than the conformism and censorship in the West though.
    Methods are more sophisticated in the west. If I lose my job and can't find a new one due to expressing non PC opinion you may as well murder me because my life is pretty much ruined in both scenarios.

    West is certainly more free than east, but both are immoral and corrupted because human nature is such and will NEVER change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    In Russia and the East the effects are often more deadly and crude than the conformism and censorship in the West though.
    Actually, I hear from Russians living in the West that on the common level the herd mentality is astonishing there (as became evident in the time of scamdemic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Methods are more sophisticated in the west. If I lose my job and can't find a new one due to expressing non PC opinion you may as well murder me because my life is pretty much ruined in both scenarios.

    West is certainly more free than east, but both are immoral and corrupted because human nature is such and will NEVER change.
    Well yes, as Noam Chomsky put it in his seminal book Manufacturing Consent, "propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Actually, I hear from Russians living in the West that on the common level the herd mentality is astonishing there (as became evident in the time of scamdemic).
    Didn't Russia impose lockdowns and border closures of varying degrees of intensity as well?

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