Was Russia always destined to be hostile and 'different' to most of the West?

[Tooting Carmen]

Russia is more true to western values than any current western nation, so I honestly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

In what sense? Even if we are to truly believe the codswollop about Putin in particular being the defender of tradition, religion and family, the point is that Russia in reality is just as much in thrall to various types of social decay as the West if not more so.

[Nomadian90']

the partitions of Poland,

Russia has never been interested in the lands of Poland, apart from those that used to lie within the borders of Ruthenia, and which the Grand Duchy of Lithuania seized from the Russians. Poland's entry into the union with Lithuania initiated a series of many unnecessary wars for Poles.
The partitions of Poland were a defeat for Russia because it had to share with its neighbors and had a direct border with Prussia and Austria, while Catherine II wanted to keep Poland formally independent as a buffer against Germany. Unfortunately, the Prussian party responsible for the Constitution of May 3 and the Kościuszko Uprising, pretending to be Polish patriots, did not allow it.
The Poles did their best to ensure that each of the neighbors got a share of the loot. After all, the Kościuszko Uprising was precisely aimed at Russia – so as not to let it vassalize Poland. Instead of being Russia's junior partner (but quite significant due to its proportions), we were dismembered by three superpowers. The collapse of one power is easier to wait for than three. The First World War was a stroke of luck for the Poles, but they might as well have ended up for millennia like the Kurds. Which, unfortunately, they deserve, looking at their behavior in support of their enemy - neo-Nazi Ukraine.
…and Austria with Prussia would have a hard time fighting against the combined forces of Russia and Poland and having France behind them.

[Nausevar]

Russia has never been interested in the lands of Poland, apart from those that used to lie within the borders of Ruthenia, and which the Grand Duchy of Lithuania seized from the Russians. Poland's entry into the union with Lithuania initiated a series of many unnecessary wars for Poles.
The partitions of Poland were a defeat for Russia because it had to share with its neighbors and had a direct border with Prussia and Austria, while Catherine II wanted to keep Poland formally independent as a buffer against Germany. Unfortunately, the Prussian party responsible for the Constitution of May 3 and the Kościuszko Uprising, pretending to be Polish patriots, did not allow it.
The Poles did their best to ensure that each of the neighbors got a share of the loot. After all, the Kościuszko Uprising was precisely aimed at Russia – so as not to let it vassalize Poland. Instead of being Russia's junior partner (but quite significant due to its proportions), we were dismembered by three superpowers. The collapse of one power is easier to wait for than three. The First World War was a stroke of luck for the Poles, but they might as well have ended up for millennia like the Kurds. Which, unfortunately, they deserve, looking at their behavior in support of their enemy - neo-Nazi Ukraine.
…and Austria with Prussia would have a hard time fighting against the combined forces of Russia and Poland and having France behind them.

Why do you use 3rd person when referring to Poles?
Don't you think that the quality of governance is a primary factor on the population in the choice of whether to revolt or not? German and Austrian rule was more tolerable than Russian.

[Tooting Carmen]

Why do you use 3rd person when referring to Poles?
Don't you think that the quality of governance is a primary factor on the population in the choice of whether to revolt or not? German and Austrian rule was more tolerable than Russian.

Even during the Nazis?

[Nausevar]

Russia has never been interested in the lands of Poland, apart from those that used to lie within the borders of Ruthenia, and which the Grand Duchy of Lithuania seized from the Russians. Poland's entry into the union with Lithuania initiated a series of many unnecessary wars for Poles.
The partitions of Poland were a defeat for Russia because it had to share with its neighbors and had a direct border with Prussia and Austria, while Catherine II wanted to keep Poland formally independent as a buffer against Germany. Unfortunately, the Prussian party responsible for the Constitution of May 3 and the Kościuszko Uprising, pretending to be Polish patriots, did not allow it.
The Poles did their best to ensure that each of the neighbors got a share of the loot. After all, the Kościuszko Uprising was precisely aimed at Russia – so as not to let it vassalize Poland. Instead of being Russia's junior partner (but quite significant due to its proportions), we were dismembered by three superpowers. The collapse of one power is easier to wait for than three. The First World War was a stroke of luck for the Poles, but they might as well have ended up for millennia like the Kurds. Which, unfortunately, they deserve, looking at their behavior in support of their enemy - neo-Nazi Ukraine.
…and Austria with Prussia would have a hard time fighting against the combined forces of Russia and Poland and having France behind them.

Why do you use 3rd person when referring to Poles?
Don't you think that the quality of governance is a primary factor on the population in the choice of whether to revolt or not? German and Austrian rule was more tolerable than Russian.

[Victor]

They took East Prussia from Germany

Poland got Danzig, 2/3 of Prussia and some other lands. So, what? Germany was defeated in this war, it goes like this.

[Victor]

German and Austrian rule was more tolerable than Russian.

We are living in different reality dude. Back in some 150 years ago majority of population of any European state including Russia, Germany and Austria were peasants who lived a harsh, hardworking life, 99% of them never left the area of 2-3 neighbouring villages in the lifetime. Even considering this, lots of German and Austrian lands had VERY extreme kind of serfdom with almost 100% of peasant population belonging to the landlords with no options to leave or buy themselves off, as it was said "only your soul belongs to God". Russian serfdom in different times took over 25-50% of peasant populace, lots of regions didn't have it at all, those who joined the army were no serfs anymore, you could buy yourself off the serfdom or receive it by the will of landlord. Becoming a settler in a newly inhabiting region also leaded to full freedom with benefits (land, money, property). One of my paternal ancestors bought his freedom in the beginning of 19 century and moved to Moscow opening his own shop, he joined a merchant guild. This shop was confiscated after 1917 for sure.

I mean, when we speak about some "freedoms" back in those times it's far from some bullshit we consider to be freedom, I think even nobility could not imagine and demand something like this, it was bizzare for anyone living back then.

[Victor]

Amazing how people don't realize Russia got so big by wars of conquest.

I've already met some similar of your posts, most of those lands were vastlands or lands inhabited by nomadic tribes with no stateshood, no cities or even villages. Lots of them are still living their nomadic life, we have no problem with it

[Blondie]

Even considering this, lots of German and Austrian lands had VERY extreme kind of serfdom with almost 100% of peasant population belonging to the landlords with no options to leave or buy themselves off

This did not exist in the Habsburg Empire after 1853. Such cities like Wien or Budapest were one of the most liberal cities in Europe at this time and in present day too.

[Dick]

This very good article discusses this very issue: https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/1...edy-of-russia/

Napoleon's judeo-masonic invasion of Russia.
Battle of Balaclava: British, French and Ottoman troops (the original NATO) sponsored by the Rothschild jews attack Russian troops in Crimea.
Bolshevik revolution: Marxists (western judeo-masonic ideology) sponsored again by the Rothschild banker luciferians butcher the Russian royal family and Russia ceases to exist.
Operation Barbarossa: this wasn't an actual invasion of Russia rather the Soviet Union in general but you get the point.