Y-DNA studies on South Slavs

[lumas]

No Illyrian DNA.


Croatians:

'' A total of 507 haplotypes were used for genetic
STR analysis. An interpopulation study on 17 Y-STR markers showed the lowest genetic diversity between the Croatian and Bosnian-Herzegovinian populations and the
highest between the Croatian and Irish populations. Additional interpopulation comparison with the original 27
Y-STR markers (for the population with available data) was
also performed. A total of 518 haplotypes were used in the
determination of haplogroup diversity. Haplogroup I with
its sublineage I2a expressed the highest prevalence. The
second most prevalent haplogroup was R, with its major sublineage R1a, except for the subpopulation of Hvar,
where E1b1b was the second most prevalent haplogroup.
Rare haplogroups also confirmed in this study were L, T,
and Q. G1 was detected for the first time in the Croatian
population.''

http://www.cmj.hr/2022/63/3/35722696.htm







Montenigrins:


''Y-DNA genetic study done in 2010 on 404 male individuals from Montenegro gave the following results: haplogroup I2a (29.7%), E-V13 (26.9%), R1b (9.4%), R1a (7.6%), I1 (6.1%), J2a1 (4.7%), J2b (4.4%), G2a (2.4%), Q (1.9%), I2b (1.7%), N (1.4%), H (1.4%), L (1.2%), and J1 (0.49%).[17] A 2022 study on 267 samples from northeastern Montenegro found that the "most common haplogroups are I2 and R1b, both identified in 23.97% of samples, followed by E (22.47%), J2 (11.61%), I1 (6.74%), G2 (3.75%), R1a (3.37%), I1 (1.12%), G (1.12%), N (0.75%), C (0.37%), T1 (0.37%) and Q1 (0.37%)".[18]''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrins




Serbs:

Our study enrolled 1200 Serbian males originating from three geographical regions in the Balkan Peninsula inhabited by Serbs: present-day Serbia, regions of Old Herzegovina and Kosovo and Metohija. These samples were genotyped using the combination of 23 Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (Y-STRs) loci and 17 Ychromosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms (Y-SNPs) loci for the haplotype and haplogroup analysis in order to characterize in detail Y chromosome flow in the recent history. Serbia’s borders have changed through history, forcing Serbs constantly to migrate to different regions of Balkan Peninsula. The most significant migration waves in the recent history towards present-day Serbia occurred from the regions of Old- Herzegovina and Kosovo and Metohija that lie in the south-west/south. High haplotype diversity and discrimination capacity were observed in all three datasets, with the highest number of unique haplotypes (381) and discrimination capacity (0.97) detected in the samples originating from the present-day Serbia. Haplogroup composition didn’t differ significantly among datasets, with three dominant haplogroups (I-M170, E-P170 and R-M198), and haplogroup I-M170 being the most frequent in all three datasets. Haplogroup E-P170 was the second most dominant in the dataset originating from geographical region of Kosovo and Metohija, whereas haplogroup R-M198 was the second most prevalent in the dataset from historical region of Old Herzegovina. Based on the phylogenetic three for haplogroup I constructed within this study, haplogroup I2a1-P37.2 was the most dominant within all three datasets, especially in the dataset from historical region of Old Herzegovina, where 182 out of 400 samples were derived for SNP P37.2.

No significant J2b2-L283 or R1b-Z2103 / R1b-PF7563 associated with Illyrians.

[lumas]

Same with Greeks J2a, E-V13, I2a etc.

Same with Bosnia:

''Haplogroup prediction using Y-chromosomal STRs in the general population of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Abstract
Human Y-chromosomal haplogroups are an important tool used in population genetics and forensic genetics. A conventional method used for Y haplogroup assignment is based on a set of Y-SNP markers deployed, which exploits the low mutation rate nature of these markers. Y chromosome haplogroups can be successfully predicted from Y-STR markers using different software packages, and this method gained much attention recently due to its labor-, time- and cost-effectiveness. The present study was based on the analysis of a total of 480 adult male buccal swab samples collected from different regions of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Y haplogroup prediction was performed using Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor, based on haplotype data on 23 Y-STR markers contained within the PowerPlex® Y23 kit. The results revealed the existence of 14 different haplogroups, with I2a, R1a and E1b1b being the most prevalent with frequencies of 43.13%, 14.79% and 14.58%, respectively. Compared to the previously published studies on Bosnian-Herzegovinian population based on Y-SNP and Y-STR data, this study represents an upgrade of molecular genetic data with a significantly larger number of samples, thus offering more accurate results and higher probability of detecting rare haplogroups.''

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...21.671467/full

So how come Albanians carry these lineages much higher and show more continuity with Iron Age Western Balkans:

''I14688 (600-400 BCE), a male sample from IA Çinamak was uploaded on FTDNA. The initial classification in the "Southern Arc" papers is that he's under R-L51.

On FTDNA, this sample was re-classified and uploaded under R-PF7563.

R-PF7563>Z29758 is one the major and most diverse Albanian lineages.
Nice catch! I personally never looked into this sample, as I thought he is some low coverage R-L51 as reported by the Southern Arc paper. I just looked at his BAM file and I would have to agree with FTDNA that I14688 is in fact R1b-PF7562>PF7563!

At R-PF7562 level, he has GG490/BY856/Y19696+ (3T), then at R-PF7563 level he is showing PF7563+ (1A), with no contradicting or negative reads.

It seems Lazaridis et al. classified him as R-L51 based on SNPs L51 which has two derived and one ancestral/negative read, and E207/Y410/MF659561 which has one derived and one ancestral read. So, unlike the R-PF7562>PF7563 calls, the R-L51 calls are clearly ambiguous.

I think this is a nice development with regards to Albanian Y-DNA. Just in LBA-IA Çinamak site in NE Albania, we have J2b-L283, R1b-CTS9219 aka R1b-CTS1450, and now R1b-PF7563, which together compose ~35-40% of modern Albanian Y-DNA.''




In many regions these lineages together reach 40%-50%.

[lumas]

Where is the Illyrian Y-DNA ? How come they mostly peak in Albanians today ?

[lumas]

Bump

[lumas]

Here is Greek Y-DNA:

[David_Ball]

No Illyrian DNA.


Croatians:

'' A total of 507 haplotypes were used for genetic
STR analysis. An interpopulation study on 17 Y-STR markers showed the lowest genetic diversity between the Croatian and Bosnian-Herzegovinian populations and the
highest between the Croatian and Irish populations. Additional interpopulation comparison with the original 27
Y-STR markers (for the population with available data) was
also performed. A total of 518 haplotypes were used in the
determination of haplogroup diversity. Haplogroup I with
its sublineage I2a expressed the highest prevalence. The
second most prevalent haplogroup was R, with its major sublineage R1a, except for the subpopulation of Hvar,
where E1b1b was the second most prevalent haplogroup.
Rare haplogroups also confirmed in this study were L, T,
and Q. G1 was detected for the first time in the Croatian
population.''

http://www.cmj.hr/2022/63/3/35722696.htm







Montenigrins:


''Y-DNA genetic study done in 2010 on 404 male individuals from Montenegro gave the following results: haplogroup I2a (29.7%), E-V13 (26.9%), R1b (9.4%), R1a (7.6%), I1 (6.1%), J2a1 (4.7%), J2b (4.4%), G2a (2.4%), Q (1.9%), I2b (1.7%), N (1.4%), H (1.4%), L (1.2%), and J1 (0.49%).[17] A 2022 study on 267 samples from northeastern Montenegro found that the "most common haplogroups are I2 and R1b, both identified in 23.97% of samples, followed by E (22.47%), J2 (11.61%), I1 (6.74%), G2 (3.75%), R1a (3.37%), I1 (1.12%), G (1.12%), N (0.75%), C (0.37%), T1 (0.37%) and Q1 (0.37%)".[18]''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrins




Serbs:








No significant J2b2-L283 or R1b-Z2103 / R1b-PF7563 associated with Illyrians.

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I find Y-DNA studies on South Slavs to be incredibly fascinating. It's a captivating field that sheds light on our historical roots and genetic connections. As a student, I'm not directly involved in genetic research, but I can relate to the complexity of delving into intricate subjects.

[true_southron]

I find Y-DNA studies on South Slavs to be incredibly fascinating. It's a captivating field that sheds light on our historical roots and genetic connections. As a student, I'm not directly involved in genetic research, but I can relate to the complexity of delving into intricate subjects.

Who do you mean by saying "ours"?