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Natufian is pre semiticOriginally Posted by Bokoto
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Fact 1: CHG is present in all Europeans since the bronze age.
Fact 2: CHG peaks in the Caucasus.
Fact 3: CHG is a fundamental part of the Indo-European peoples, our most direct ancestors who made us what we are today.
Fact 4: European farmers (ENF) are Levantine farmers with slightly more WHG.
Fact 5: Levantine farmers peak in Arabia.
Fact 6: Georgians and Northern Europeans are genetically equidistant to ENF.
Fact 7: Both heavy CHG and ENF peoples produce some phenotypes capable of passing in Europe and others only in West Asia.
Fact 8: Northern Caucasian peoples are European.
Fact 9: If you accept Sardinians, Cypriots or any swarthy European as white then you also have to accept that some Georgians are white.
Fact 10: Kadyrov passes in Europe while Mantzoukas doesn't.
Fact 11: If the children of the first grew up in Germany they'd be considered white Europeans but the children of the second as MENAs.
Fact 12: You're in denial of factual evidence.
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Even if you accept that WHG = white, where do you draw the line? Because I see some native Euros below Jews, Gypsies and semi-mongoloids.
Can't other ancestral populations produce white phenotypes?
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This is like saying that the children of two mulattos born in Europe are 100% European and white because none of his parents is pure black.
ENF is closer to Middle Easterns and North Africans than to the majority of Europeans. Deal with it.
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Dude, you have some out of date information. ANF isn't just levantine farmer plus WHG just as CHG isn't exactly the same thing as Iran neolithic plus ANE. There is such a thing as genetic drift you know, the same reason all these populations aren't just African + 3-4% Neanderthal. If you take out the North African like stuff from Levant and then add an equal amount of WHG as exists in ANF it's still closest to Levant Web capture_29-11-2022_6141_www.exploreyourdna.com.jpeg. Yes CHG is integral to Europeans I personally think CHG is "cooler" than ANF. But every population that carries large amounts of CHG also carries significant non-European ancestry on top of it. And Just as I would never consider somone whom is 100% ANF white and I don't personally consider Sardinians white, you can't consider a population that is 66.5-85% MENA European just because some of them have light skin. The only way you can make a population carry that much CHG and still be European is if they also have high WHG a lot of their CHG comes from WSH and have very low ANF. Which would really just end up being a weird kind of Southern European and would be almost as distant to the same Caucasians we are talking about as other Europeans are. Web capture_29-11-2022_6402_www.exploreyourdna.com.jpeg. Even somebody with 40% CHG like this ( close to the same amount Caucasians carry ) still isn't even vaguely close to Georgians Web capture_29-11-2022_64034_www.exploreyourdna.com.jpeg.
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Irrelevant. It's far more widespread in west Asia.
In Georgia which is West Asian.quotegFact 2: CHG peaks in the Caucasus.
Ours? You're obviously brown.Fact 3: CHG is a fundamental part of the Indo-European peoples, our most direct ancestors who made us what we are today.
No. And it is not slightly. ENF has significant WHG input. You claims are anyhow irrelevant since every component can be modeled as mix of something. What matters is that ENF peaks in Europe and is far more widespread in Europe than in middle east unlike CHG.Fact 4: European farmers (ENF) are Levantine farmers with slightly more WHG.
Arabs have several times higher CHG than ENF input. Deal with it.Fact 5: Levantine farmers peak in Arabia.
They are absolutely not and no European considers them as such.Fact 8: Northern Caucasian peoples are European.
Most of Georgians and other Caucasians are swarthy, thus Russians who are actual whites call them churka which is a slur meaning dark. In any case, Caucasians are not particularly dark compared to southern Europans and many look white but that is again irrelevant. They are not European, simple as that.Fact 9: If you accept Sardinians, Cypriots or any swarthy European as white then you also have to accept that some Georgians are white.
Irrelevant. You cherrypicked American of extremely atypical looks who could be, for all we know, ancestrally whatever, or an Anatolian Greek who are, like Chechens, West Asians.Fact 10: Kadyrov passes in Europe while Mantzoukas doesn't.
Chimaev grew up in Sweden and he is surely seen as brown MENA.Fact 11: If the children of the first grew up in Germany they'd be considered white Europeans but the children of the second as MENAs.
I'm European, unlike you. And you will never be accepted as one of us, no matter how many cherrypicked blond orientals you post.Fact 12: You're in denial of factual evidence.
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Mantzoukas is part gypsy (last name -oukas) so he should not be considered as a benchmark.
Georgians are genetically and culturally West Asians throughout the history (part or proxy satellite ping ponging between Byzantines and Persians, then Turks), Southern Caucasus was never part of Europe under any geopolitical or historical model.
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it’s not like what u think cv. anatolian greeks, pontic greeks and cypriots are hellenized people not greek. (genetically, probably they are culturally fully greek idk) i know all christians = white, and all muslims = sandnigger to u but all of them genetically quite distant from mainland greeks even “sandnigger” albanians and balkan and most anatolian turks are more closer to mainlanders.
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You're making a strawman here, this is not the point, I wasn't talking about where they were "born", I was talking about where it peaks, and it's not in west asia.
And, no It's not closer to middle easterners and north africans, BTW Italian jews do have european admixture
Code:Distance to: ENF 0.07938021 Sardinian 0.11819864 Italian_Jew 0.11876964 French_Corsica 0.11879376 Italian_Campania 0.11897222 Italian_Calabria 0.11918227 Greek_Deep_Mani 0.11983794 Italian_Apulia 0.12001380 Italian_Lazio 0.12009072 Sicilian_East 0.12075342 Italian_Basilicata 0.12127950 Romaniote_Jew 0.12254346 Maltese 0.12269966 Sephardic_Jew 0.12299342 Greek_Dodecanese 0.12345867 Italian_Abruzzo 0.12346224 Ashkenazi_Germany 0.12350994 Greek_Kos 0.12449445 Cypriot 0.12467485 Italian_Molise 0.12501500 Italian_Umbria 0.12502347 Sicilian_West 0.12527558 Greek_South_Tsakonia 0.12630516 Italian_Marche 0.12684649 Greek_Izmir 0.12743825 Greek_Crete 0.12768383 Tunisian_Jew 0.12856898 Greek_Laconia 0.12872113 Italian_Tuscany 0.12877689 Greek_Corinthia 0.12889388 Moroccan_Jew 0.12945824 Greek_Argolis 0.12948560 Greek_Peloponnese 0.12957252 Greek_North_Tsakonia 0.13054529 Greek_East_Taygetos 0.13096543 Greek_Achaea 0.13124215 Greek_Arcadia 0.13145208 Libyan_Jew 0.13174947 Greek_Elis 0.13188862 Ashkenazi_Poland 0.13241434 Greek_Messenia 0.13359705 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o 0.13368947 Ashkenazi_Belarussia 0.13393578 Italian_Lombardy 0.13416091 Ashkenazi_Ukraine 0.13477834 Italian_Piedmont 0.13506540 Italian_Bergamo 0.13512636 Ashkenazi_Lithuania 0.13514827 Greek_Thessaly 0.13518363 Albanian 0.13551628 Ashkenazi_Russia 0.13575726 Sephardic_Jew_o 0.13748521 Greek_West_Taygetos 0.13963898 Swiss_Italian 0.13970969 Greek_Central_Macedonia 0.13995164 Lebanese_Christian 0.14058868 Greek_Central_Anatolia 0.14067531 Italian_Liguria 0.14092970 Greek_Macedonia 0.14104674 Syrian_Jew 0.14169612 Spanish_Menorca 0.14247920 Italian_Veneto 0.14281968 Spanish_Murcia 0.14346768 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour 0.14408355 Rumelia_East 0.14447789 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige 0.14495509 Samaritan 0.14502980 Spanish_Canarias 0.14503906 Spanish_Baleares 0.14522637 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.14533518 Greek_Cappadocia 0.14551098 Spanish_Andalucia 0.14562195 Spanish_El_Hierro 0.14564350 Spanish_Tenerife 0.14577076 Spanish_Eivissa 0.14580326 Druze 0.14637158 Spanish_Extremadura 0.14661977 Spanish_La_Palma 0.14665019 Portuguese 0.14715765 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre 0.14733152 Spanish_Fuerteventura 0.14760031 Spanish_La_Rioja 0.14780958 Spanish_Lanzarote 0.14845359 Spanish_Gran_Canaria 0.14875922 Spanish_Alacant 0.14882975 Spanish_Aragon 0.14892492 Spanish_Castello 0.14894662 Spanish_Valencia 0.14902293 Spanish_Mallorca 0.14902849 Lebanese_Druze 0.14925061 Karaite_Egypt 0.14944388 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona 0.14967830 Spanish_Cantabria 0.14980333 Spanish_Pirineu 0.15049642 Spanish_Galicia 0.15100061 Spanish_La_Gomera 0.15106956 Spanish_Lleida 0.15129291 Spanish_Navarra 0.15155524 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.15177977 Spanish_Catalunya_Central 0.15195901 Spanish_Girona
Full Ethnicity Breakdowns:Spoiler!
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Pontians and Cypriots are ethnic Greeks for thousands of years and have been part of same ethnicity far longer than vast majority of Europeans.
They indeed were Hellenized, but extremely long ago and speak Greek for far longer than some recently Hellenized mainlanders who used to speak Albanian, Vlach or Slavic until recently.
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