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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    One man's White is another man's non-White. The term has no value.
    There's definitely a distinctive Caucasoid race, but whether there is a White race is a lot more subjective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    There's definitely a distinctive Caucasoid race, but whether there is a White race is a lot more subjective.
    I prefer the term Caucasoid because there is an objective standard. The skull of a deal Georgian isn't going to be confused for that of a Negroid, etc.

    objective standard > subjective standard

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    Georgians are white in my opinion. Chechens and the like are even moreso but are dumb as bricks.

    The reason I think Georgians are white is because I consider CHG a component connected to Europeans. CHG are closest to Caucasus peoples, but are closer to modern Northern Europeans than they are to MENA/SA people. They also have a very white phenotype which old school anthropologists deemed pleasant. However, I am wary of any culture which is muslim. Islam is seemingly a hotbed of dysgenics wherever it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vader View Post
    Genetically they are in the middle of west asian and European and form their own cluster. I'd consider them white... They are mostly chg which is a component that made steppe.
    actually georgians are the one of the most west asian shifted ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortnite777 View Post
    Georgians are white in my opinion. Chechens and the like are even moreso but are dumb as bricks.

    The reason I think Georgians are white is because I consider CHG a component connected to Europeans. CHG are closest to Caucasus peoples, but are closer to modern Northern Europeans than they are to MENA/SA people. They also have a very white phenotype which old school anthropologists deemed pleasant. However, I am wary of any culture which is muslim. Islam is seemingly a hotbed of dysgenics wherever it goes.
    Are you sure about that?

    Code:
    Distance to:	GEO_CHG
    0.15514676	Iranian_Mazandarani
    0.16964420	Iranian_Zoroastrian
    0.16985357	Iranian_Fars
    0.17260680	Iranian_Persian_Shiraz
    0.17351527	Iranian_Lor
    0.17520045	Turkish_East
    0.17604027	Iranian_Bandari
    0.19092044	Turkish_Kayseri
    0.19460313	Turkish_North
    0.20341577	Turkish_Northwest
    0.20570995	Iranian_Jew
    0.21131952	Iraqi
    0.27945953	Norwegian
    0.28087955	Russian_Smolensk
    0.29309621	Finnish_North
    With Gedmatch

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 55.77
    2 East_Med 22.14
    3 West_Med 12.23
    4 Baltic 4.84
    5 East_Asian 1.70
    6 North_Atlantic 1.54
    7 South_Asian 1.39

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Abhkasian @ 3.674193
    2 Georgian @ 5.907027
    3 Ossetian @ 13.877807
    4 Adygei @ 14.458330
    5 North_Ossetian @ 15.089102
    6 Balkar @ 16.444563
    7 Kabardin @ 18.690607
    8 Kumyk @ 18.972198
    9 Kurdish @ 20.477928
    10 Chechen @ 20.565985
    11 Lezgin @ 21.414471
    12 Armenian @ 22.289671
    13 Iranian @ 24.029566
    14 Azeri @ 24.426241
    15 Tabassaran @ 24.505100
    16 Georgian_Jewish @ 25.853485
    17 Turkish @ 27.409996
    18 Turkmen @ 29.907368
    19 Assyrian @ 30.306126
    20 Makrani @ 32.421654

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    Quote Originally Posted by vader View Post
    Genetically they are in the middle of west asian and European and form their own cluster. I'd consider them white... They are mostly chg which is a component that made steppe.
    western turks and northern caucasians more fit this definition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    One man's White is another man's non-White. The term has no value.
    that's because whitness is depending on how you look. A quardoon/octoroon or castizo will be socially treated as white if they look the part and their non white admix isn't visible.
    same for any white looking Caucasian or MENA.

    just like some native Europeans don't look white but exotic.

    That's why European is way better term. Everyone knows what that includes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    western turks and northern caucasians more fit this definition
    north Caucasians are still way closer to other West Asians than to any Euros. Unless you mean PIE/steppic admix which they have unlike Georgians.
    But that's not specifically European thing (WHG admix is) since it's widespread all over central/south Asia and partially MENA, even if it peaks in Europeans and is main part of their genetic make up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Yes they were considered white from what I read in old books and other old written material in English. For instance late 19th and early 20th century Liberal British historian and statesman wrote in some article about the different races that Turks are white and in a book about Russia and Ottoman Empire mostly descendants of assimilated Byzantine natives of Asia Minor and Thrace. The objection to Turks by Europeans was traditionally because of their Muslim religion. I don't think many Turks emigrated to the American colonies though. Some did emigrate later in the late 19th and early 20th century and I think they were considered white socially and certainly legally, like in the census or for racial segregation purposes since in some states even East Asians or Amerindians were barred from marrying whites. I once read a book about American demographics and history by Nordicist Lothrop Stoddard and he wrote that US census classes Turks and Arabs(mostly Levantine I think) as white and he did not object to it.
    I think Gypsies were part of the "European" immigration to the USA since always, but I think they were not fully equal they lived in tents or something or in caravans, and roamed around, and there are anti-gypsy laws i think. Do you know anything about that? Also I think maybe some Gypsies could live normal but they had to go under their nationality, like if they are from Serbia they are "Serbian" but they could not be Gypsies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    I think Gypsies were part of the "European" immigration to the USA since always, but I think they were not fully equal they lived in tents or something or in caravans, and roamed around, and there are anti-gypsy laws i think. Do you know anything about that? Also I think maybe some Gypsies could live normal but they had to go under their nationality, like if they are from Serbia they are "Serbian" but they could not be Gypsies?
    Yes, according to Carleton Coon for instance there were both British and Balkan gypsies in early 20th century and for sure much earlier. I don't think there were anti-gypsy laws, but I remember I read on wiki and posted here a quote from some Congressman in late 19th century who in Congress was warning his fellow Congressmen and Americans about gypsy crime and misbehavior (or of some gypsies I suppose). I also doubt anyone made the gypsies in America go about in caravans and live in tents. They did that themselves because that is what they did for generations in Europe. They probably did prefer to say they are Serbian, British or whatever 'cause even in America they were not well liked, but there probably was only extralegal discrimination by private citizens and organizations and not by the authorities or by law. Gypsies were classed as white in census always and socially I don't know what they were considered, but they were legally white which was an advantage since they were not subject to racial segregation. But back before the 1960s or 1970s most Latin Americans mestizos and the like (not so numerous then in the US) were also legally white and not subject to racial segregation, but there was some discrimination and they were not socially white. I think Gypsies were in a similar situation: legally white, but widely seen as inferior, though I am not sure if as non-white because Americans don't know too much about gypsies or even how they typically look like or so it seems to me.

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