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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    In Portugal (as far as I know) we have no tradition involving the wearing of costumes with animal skins. However, we do have an ancient tradition that is very similar to the last masks you posted. Considering the distance between Portugal and Romania it's even surprising how similar it seems.
    Roman tradition maybe?

    Edit: I just saw the updated posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    Yes, it is believed to be pre-Roman. Could be an Indo-European heritage but for that to be the case it should show in other countries as well, i think. Maybe other members here can share similar traditions from their own countries. That would be interesting. The masks look different though. The ones here are almost always devil heads, which is kinda creepy.
    The masks in here change from one village to another. The ones I showed you were from Podence. The ones from the village of Lazarim in Portugal also use what could be seen as "devil heads".







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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    The masks in here change from one village to another. The ones I showed you were from Podence. The ones from the village of Lazarim in Portugal also use what could be seen as "devil heads".
    Ohh I see. Is interesting we have all these devil masks preceding Christianity. I wonder if they have anything to do with how we depict the devil today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    Yes, it is believed to be pre-Roman. Could be an Indo-European heritage but for that to be the case it should show in other countries as well, i think. Maybe other members here can share similar traditions from their own countries. That would be interesting. The masks look different though. The ones here are almost always devil heads, which is kinda creepy.
    The ones in Portugal are supposedly to be as well devil heads. Depending on the village that will be more evident, which is the case in Lazarim.





    That's a tradition from Northern Portugal (Trás-os-Montes and Alto Douro). And it's basically to mark the solstice and equinox, in Portugal to mainstream public it's more known as festivity of Carnival but there are villages as well celebrating it around Christmas due to the winter's solstice.






    https://www.escapadarural.pt/blog/o-...etos-em-varge/

    This video is subtitled in English and details a bit the tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ÁGUIA View Post

    This video is subtitled in English and details a bit the tradition.

    Thanks for sharing! I do understand Portuguese very well btw

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    Among Serbs there are no rituals connected with bears, but exist wolf rituals. Serbs and other South Slavs always had huge respect for wolf (as Russians for bear), same as Turkic people. In some legends ancestor or close relative of Serbs is wolf.

    Wolf ritual of Serbs from Dalmatian hinterland known as 'Vučari'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    Roman tradition maybe?

    Edit: I just saw the updated posts.
    I think that if it was Roman we would probably already know that since the Romans were a civilisation that knew how to write and left a vast written legacy of their traditions and customs. Nobody knows for sure but I believe it is pre-Roman, also because it usually marks the solstice. The pagan peoples of Europe have always had an obsession with the solstice, since prehistoric times, just look at the majority of megalithic constructions throughout Europe are almost always perfectly aligned with the stars, sun and moon to mark the solstice and equinox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Among Serbs there are no rituals connected with bears, but exist wolf rituals. Serbs and other South Slavs always had huge respect for wolf (as Russians for bear), same as Turkic people. In some legends ancestor or close relative of Serbs is wolf.

    Wolf ritual of Serbs from Dalmatian hinterland known as 'Vučari'
    well..the symbol of the Dacians was the a wolf with a dragon body

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    I think that if it was Roman we would probably already know that since the Romans were a civilisation that knew how to write and left a vast written legacy of their traditions and customs. Nobody knows for sure but I believe it is pre-Roman, also because it usually marks the solstice. The pagan peoples of Europe have always had an obsession with the solstice, since prehistoric times, just look at the majority of megalithic constructions throughout Europe are almost always perfectly aligned with the stars, sun and moon to mark the solstice and equinox.
    These traditions with masks exists and are very common only in Moldova region (north-eastern Romania), so did not have anything to do with Romans. The tradition from OP it seems to be connected with Gypsy group "Ursari" (bear handlers) who in the past were an nomadic occupational group of animal trainers among the Gypsies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    I think that if it was Roman we would probably already know that since the Romans were a civilisation that knew how to write and left a vast written legacy of their traditions and customs. Nobody knows for sure but I believe it is pre-Roman, also because it usually marks the solstice. The pagan peoples of Europe have always had an obsession with the solstice, since prehistoric times, just look at the majority of megalithic constructions throughout Europe are almost always perfectly aligned with the stars, sun and moon to mark the solstice and equinox.
    Indeed.

    BTW, this picture:



    Reminds me of The Wicker Man.

    So you are probably right about the pagan thing.

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