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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver109 View Post
    Some of the people in the first pic pass in northern Pakistan
    Yes, the three Gypsies (Isabel Pantoja and her relatives).
    The rest of them in UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    I see two Gypsy women in the first photo, Isabel Pantoja and her mother. Probably three, the woman left her mother also looks Gypsy.
    About Isabel Pantoja's mother there are contradictory opinions, a relative of them says:

    In a significant whatsapp, Carmen launches a resounding message: "Isabel Pantoja's mother does not touch anything to my mother-in-law. She is Portuguese, not gypsy. Doña Manuela was a real Pantoja, and not that lady. I do not recognize her as the new matriarch of the whole family. With Doña Manuela the Pantoja clan is over, because they are all mixed with gachás and with gachós [in Romani, non-gypsy person], she was the only pure one.
    https://www.larazon.es/lifestyle/gen...ro-CA17711704/

    I have always known that Isabel Pantoja is not a pure gypsy.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver109 View Post
    Some of the people in the first pic pass in northern Pakistan


    The men in the bottom row, two old men with glasses pass in Pakistan hehehehehe we add them to the list you always use of Spaniards with some pathology or disease, Spaniards with a gypsy father or grandfather, not to mention the worst photos of any Spaniard you use and the younger man with the mustache and beard looks quite northern Spanish.

    Pakistan I don't see it in the bottom four men. The rest Isabel Pantoja's mother is Portuguese, Isabel the mixed gypsy and the other woman is probably pure gypsy, the rest happens in Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    About Isabel Pantoja's mother there are contradictory opinions, a relative of them says:



    https://www.larazon.es/lifestyle/gen...ro-CA17711704/

    I have always known that Isabel Pantoja is not a pure gypsy.
    That is a mess even if I read it in Spanish in that article, and I care less than zero who the fuck is la Chumina, the wife of Chiquetete and su puta madre. All what I know is that they have Gypsy blood, does not matter if they are pure Gypsies or mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    That is a mess even if I read it in Spanish in that article, and I care less than zero who the fuck is la Chumina, the wife of Chiquetete and su puta madre. All what I know is that they have Gypsy blood, does not matter if they are pure Gypsies or mixed.
    It is not a mess, the Pantoja clan are mixed with gachás and gachós (as gypsies call non-gypsies), non-gypsy men and women.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Mainly robust atlantid and atlantid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    It is not a mess, the Pantoja clan are mixed with gachás and gachós (as gypsies call non-gypsies), non-gypsy men and women.
    That is ambiguous. If they are mixed with non Gypsies means they already were Gypsies, and later mixed with non Gypsies

    Conclusion: maybe not pure, but Gypsies after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    That is ambiguous. If they are mixed with non Gypsies means they already were Gypsies, and later mixed with non Gypsies

    Conclusion: maybe not pure, but Gypsies after all.
    Logical, if the Pantoja clan is mixed with non-gypsies, they have gypsy and non-gypsy ancestors.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donhueas View Post
    Mainly robust atlantid and atlantid
    Atántida robusta is a new category?
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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