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    Default Did the Vandals have a Great Impact in Balearic Islands?

    The conquest of balearic islands by the Vandals had a impact? cultural, genetic or linguistic?

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    I don't know. I would like to know if they had ancient DNA samples of their Y dna tested though. Would be interesting to see it from early bronze age to iron age transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    I don't know. I would like to know if they had ancient DNA samples of their Y dna tested though. Would be interesting to see it from early bronze age to iron age transition.
    Vandals supposedly were part of the goths so the samples from Kowalewko would be basically Goths and Vandals and Gepids


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    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    Vandals supposedly were part of the goths so the samples from Kowalewko would be basically Goths and Vandals and Gepids
    maybe because it was in the dark ages / Iron age. But I would like to see they had my haplogroup there. My haplogroup is present throughout Corsica, Sicily, Sardinia islands, Adriatic and recently found in Mycenaean Greek. So I Think it would see if they found some there. Some of the tribes from sardinia were tribes from baleric islands, or the baleres

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balares

    Pausanias in his work Periegesis speculated that the Balares were the descendants of the Iberian and African mercenaries of Carthage, adding that in the language of the Corsi, "Balares" translates to fugitives.

    Some of the Carthaginian mercenaries, either Libyans or Iberians, quarrelled about the booty, mutinied in a passion, and added to the number of the highland settlers. Their name in the Cyrnian (Corsican) language is Balari, which is the Cyrnian word for fugitives.

    — Pausanias, Description of Greece, 10.17.9
    In the Historiae, Sallust mentions a possible origin from the city of Palla, Corsica.[2]

    Archaeologist Giovanni Ugas proposed that they derived from the first wave of the Beaker people who settled in the island in the late Copper Age from the Franco-Iberian area and that they were related with the ancient peoples of the Balearic Islands;[3] their name has been connected with that of Balarus, a chief of the Vettones.[3] According to Ugas, during the Nuragic period the Balares lived in the whole north-western part of the island (Nurra, Anglona, Sassarese); their territory bordered with the Ilienses in the south (Tirso) and with the Corsi in the north-east (Mount Limbara).

    After the Punic and Roman occupation of Sardinia, part of the Balares, along with the Ilienses and the Corsi, retreated in the mountainous region called Barbagia to resist the invaders. In 177 BC, the Balares and Ilienses revolted against the Romans but they were defeated by the legions of Tiberius Gracchus.

    The Ilienses, reinforced by auxiliaries of the Balari, had attacked the province while it was at peace, and could not be resisted since the army was weak and had lost a large number of its members as a result of a pestilence.

    — Livy, The History of Rome, Book 41, chapter 6, § 6
    Strabo in the Geographica mention them among the "nations of mountaineers" that raided the Italian coast.

    There are four nations of mountaineers, the Parati, Sossinati, Balari, and the Aconites. These people dwell in caverns. Although they have some arable land, they neglect its cultivation, preferring rather to plunder what they find cultivated by others, whether on the island or on the continent, where they make descents, especially upon the Pisatæ.
    I would like to see Ancient Southern Spain Haplogroup samples also. From places and coastal areas of places like in Andalucia, Gilbratar, Murcia, Huelva, Cadiz, Cartagenia, Valencia

    In soutern Spain there was contact between southern Spain in Sardinia, Theres evidence via pottery between here showing link between Sardinia and Adriatic and then to southern spain. Theres probably greek evidence also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    maybe because it was in the dark ages / Iron age. But I would like to see they had my haplogroup there. My haplogroup is present throughout Corsica, Sicily, Sardinia islands, Adriatic and recently found in Mycenaean Greek. So I Think it would see if they found some there. Some of the tribes from sardinia were tribes from baleric islands, or the baleres

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balares



    I would like to see Ancient Southern Spain Haplogroup samples also. From places and coastal areas of places like in Andalucia, Gilbratar, Murcia, Huelva, Cadiz, Cartagenia, Valencia

    In soutern Spain there was contact between southern Spain in Sardinia, Theres evidence via pottery between here showing link between Sardinia and Adriatic and then to southern spain. Theres probably greek evidence also.
    i think ur haplo group is prob from Greco-Roman origin, prob from a Roman settler
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    maybe because it was in the dark ages / Iron age. But I would like to see they had my haplogroup there. My haplogroup is present throughout Corsica, Sicily, Sardinia islands, Adriatic and recently found in Mycenaean Greek. So I Think it would see if they found some there. Some of the tribes from sardinia were tribes from baleric islands, or the baleres

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balares



    I would like to see Ancient Southern Spain Haplogroup samples also. From places and coastal areas of places like in Andalucia, Gilbratar, Murcia, Huelva, Cadiz, Cartagenia, Valencia

    In soutern Spain there was contact between southern Spain in Sardinia, Theres evidence via pottery between here showing link between Sardinia and Adriatic and then to southern spain. Theres probably greek evidence also.
    Wich is your Ethnic Background?


    There are some samples from south spain from a place named Montefrio they were very mixed like very MENA but when the Germanic Inavsors came most of the sample after that seems more close to modern Iberians


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    i think ur haplo group is prob from Greco-Roman origin, prob from a Roman settler
    I think it migrated from Sardinia honestly. Because its a very basal Form of it and the closest sample to it is a Sardinia sample in terms of Mutations. But its several thousands of years ago so It could have moved after words. But I think it moved into spain from Sardinia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    Wich is your Ethnic Background?


    There are some samples from south spain from a place named Montefrio they were very mixed like very MENA but when the Germanic Inavsors came most of the sample after that seems more close to modern Iberians
    Ah, that samples which me and jgab tested in one iberian ancient model?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    Ah, that samples which me and jgab tested in one iberian ancient model?
    if u want i can send u all

    Yes those one from the Thread i think is a very interesting one because that seems that the Germanics Had a real Impact in Iberian Genetics at least more in East Iberia and West Iberia obviously more Celtic seems logic that in roman era there were mixed Iberians


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    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    Yes those one from the Thread i think is a very interesting one because that seems that the Germanics Had a real Impact in Iberian Genetics at least more in East Iberia and West Iberia obviously more Celtic seems logic that in roman era there were mixed Iberians
    Here:

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    also a old member (banned now) called Tongio said to me one time that West-Iberia have the bigger Celt admix but also have the most MENA admix, and these MENA come from mixed roman soldier and phoenicians who introduced NA and Levantine genes in the peninsula, however the east got less but also got more visigoth blood, this guy was a human wikipedia, he knows all abt iberia, sadly he is not more in TA
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