Wich is the origin of your Y-DNA?

[Flashball]

I'm YF114365 on Yfull

My paternal Y subclade R-FT288677 come from Northern France
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT288677/

[ScandinavianCelt]

My male bloodline is R-M167, and apparently more specifcally R-Z201.

Haplogroup R-M167 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b1a1) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subdivision of Haplogroup R-DF27 and the wider haplogroup R-M269 (more specifically, its subclade R-) defined by the presence of the marker SRY2627. It arose comparatively recently, after the beginning of the European Bronze Age, and is mostly prevalent in the population of the Pyrenees region.

It's grandfather, R-DF27 appeared roughly 6-700 yrs before in Basque territories (4200 ybp). I found this interesting abstract on R-DF27:

"Haplogroup R1b-M269 comprises most Western European Y chromosomes; of its main branches, R1b-DF27 is by far the least known, and it appears to be highly prevalent only in Iberia. We have genotyped 1072 R1b-DF27 chromosomes for six additional SNPs and 17 Y-STRs in population samples from Spain, Portugal and France in order to further characterize this lineage and, in particular, to ascertain the time and place where it originated, as well as its subsequent dynamics. We found that R1b-DF27 is present in frequencies ~40% in Iberian populations and up to 70% in Basques, but it drops quickly to 6–20% in France. Overall, the age of R1b-DF27 is estimated at ~4,200 years ago, at the transition between the Neolithic and the Bronze Age, when the Y chromosome landscape of W Europe was thoroughly remodeled. In spite of its high frequency in Basques, Y-STR internal diversity of R1b-DF27 is lower there, and results in more recent age estimates; NE Iberia is the most likely place of origin of DF27. Subhaplogroup frequencies within R1b-DF27 are geographically structured, and show domains that are reminiscent of the pre-Roman Celtic/Iberian division, or of the medieval Christian kingdoms." (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07710-x)

From my personal research in my own DNA on that branch of my family, I would say these ancient Spanish genetics made there way into southern France (and eventually Normandy) roughly 2200 yrs ago. I get mixed results with different calculators on the percentages of Basque vs French in various time periods, but typically it's far more French Basque than just French on the more ancient tests. My male bloodline moved to Quebec in 1636.

I do not know my Mom's Dad's haplogroup, but he was born in Gotland, Sweden and appears fully Swedish on all but one line that went back to Iceland around 400 yrs ago. His wife, my grandma, also fully Swedish, has large percentages of Norwegian DNA she knew nothing about her entire life-- and is now deceased. Her parents are from SW Sweden closer to Oslo and Gothenberg. I'm guessing my grandpa's line is typical L1a, but it might run back into something else through mesolithic Ukrainian men. I'm trying to get my cousin to find out (his FF is my MF).

Thanks for reading.

Have a wonderful day.

[gixajo]

[CordedWhelp]

Never tested for the deeper subclade...likely West Slavic, given my paternal line’s origin in NE Germany.

I wish I knew what haplogroup represents my mother’s paternal side, but am yet to run into a close enough male relative of hers from that part of her family.

[Dick]

Russia?

[happycow]

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/G-Z6032/story

19 people from Sardinia share my Y-DNA. Very cool

[Dick]

Maga country

[Rædwald]

Pure Mesolithic Doggerlander

[Mortimer]

I was told it is "Vasojevic" a Montenegrin-Clan, I do not know if that is something like a family or what a "Clan" is.

Zdravo Svetozare,

Da, administartori ukljucujuci tu i mene mogu da vide tvoje rezultate.

Tvoj rezultat ukazuje na poreklo od Vasojevića po muskoj liniji. Sa aspekta genetike takav zakljucak o vasojevickom poreklu je verovatno maksimum koji se moze izvuci na osnovu raspolozivog rezultata. Konkretno radi se o grani E-V13>PH1246>BY14151. Usudio bih se da kazem da ovo saznanje o pripadnosti odredjenom plemenu i Y-DNK grani samo po sebi nije mala stvar.

Sa aspekta istorije tvojih relativno bliskih predaka u smislu moguce rekonstrukcije migracija, tvoj raspolozivi rezultat ukljucujuci tu i (ne)poznavanje strukture Y-DNK unutar plemena Vasojevica, na zalost ne govori mnogo. U tom smislu mogu da te uputim na ove linkove gde mozda mozes da nadjes dodatne informacije:

https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/04/07/rod-vasojevica/
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=390.0

U buducnosti nakon sto pripadnici ovog plemena budu uradili detaljnije testove kao sto su Big-Y ili WGS izvesno cemo doci do novih saznanje o strukturi Y-DNK unutar plemena pa ce to verovatno biti zanimljivi i za tebe. Ipak pitanje je da li ce se to desiti za nekoliko meseci ili nekoliko godina. Videcemo.

Na kraju bih rekao da ja ne spadam u najbolje poznavaoce crnogorskih plemena ukljucujuci tu i Vasojevice pa ako budes imao jos nedoumica verovatno je najbolje da ih izneses na forumu ciji sam link dao iznad.


Pozdrav,
Branislav


Hello Svetozar,

Yes, administrators including myself can see your results.

Your result indicates descent from Vasojević through the male line. From the point of view of genetics, such a conclusion about Vasojevica origin is probably the maximum that can be drawn based on the available results. Specifically, it is the branch E-V13>PH1246>BY14151. I would venture to say that this knowledge of belonging to a particular tribe and Y-DNA branch is no small matter in itself.

From the aspect of the history of your relatively close ancestors in terms of a possible reconstruction of migrations, your available result, including the (un)knowledge of the Y-DNA structure within the Vasojevica tribe, unfortunately does not say much. In this sense, I can refer you to these links where you may be able to find additional information:

https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/04/07/rod-vasojevica/
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=390.0

In the future, after the members of this tribe have done more detailed tests such as Big-Y or WGS, we will certainly get new information about the Y-DNA structure within the tribe, so it will probably be interesting for you as well. However, the question is whether it will happen in a few months or a few years. We'll see.

In the end, I would say that I am not one of the best connoisseurs of Montenegrin tribes, including Vasojevica, so if you have any doubts, it is probably best to raise them on the forum whose link I gave above.


Greeting,
Branislav

[Rafael Passoni]

Based on MyHeritage Raw data and
acording to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ is L2/S139/MF656651+

Spoiler!

My father's raw data.
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-L2 Link to R-L2 on YFull View heatmap on Y Heatmap View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

R-L2 L2/S139/MF656651+
┣━R-A197 +1 A197($) A7393($) FGC5286($) FGC5288(?) FGC5292(?) FGC5293(?) FGC5294(?) FGC5295($) FGC5297($) FGC5298(?) FGC5300($) FGC5301($) FGC5302($) FGC5303($) FGC5304(?) FGC5307($) FGC5309($) FGC5311($) FGC5312($) FGC5313($) FGC5314($) FGC5316($) FGC5321($) FGC5324($) Y21273($) Y21274($) Y21275(?) Y29079(?) YFS071059/Y20430($)
┣━R-A19725 +2 A19718(?) A19725($) FT166343(?) FT166395(?) FT166609(?) FT166803(?) Y270686(?) Y334251(?)
┣━R-A6454 +2 A6454($) A6455/BY761($) FT49502(?) FT51550(?) Y22311/BY732(?)
┣━R-BY118486 +1 BY118486(?)
┣━R-BY168917 +1 BY168917(?) BY220615(?) FT359909(?)
┣━R-BY2823 +2 A12408(?) A12409($) BY198822(?) BY2823($) BY2824($) BY2825($) BY2826(?) BY3488($) BY3502($) FT61120($)
┣━R-BY3477 +1 BY31095(?) BY3477(?) BY3486($) FT24727(?) Y167259(?)
┣━R-BY3483 +1 BY2895(?) BY31105/Y89103(?) BY31123/Y94567($) BY31158/Y111293(?) BY3483($) BY3514(?) FT166404(?)
┣━R-BY39332 BY39332(?) Y263206(?) Y90350($)
┣━R-DF90 +4 DF90/BY841($) FGC29428(?) FGC29430($) FGC29431(?) FGC29432($) FGC29433($) FGC29434(?) FGC29437(?) FGC59693(?) Y12051/FGC14641($)
┣━R-FGC11577 FGC11577(?) FGC11579(?) FGC11587(?) FGC11594(?) FGC11595($) FGC11596($) FGC11597($) FGC11599(?) FGC11606($) FGC11614(?) FGC11615($) FGC11618(?) Y19553(?)
┣━R-FGC22501 +2 FGC22501(?)
┣━R-FGC5354 MF70677(?) Y36465/FGC5338($) Y36466/FGC5354($) Y36467/FGC5356($) Y36468/FGC5367($)
┣━R-FT157630 FT155656(?) FT155731(?) FT156009(?) FT156104(?) FT156309($) FT156326(?) FT156504($) FT156673($) FT156685($) FT156770(?) FT157103(?) FT157215(?) FT157379(?) FT157437(?) FT157496(?) FT157630(?) FT157713(?) FT157820($) FT157899(?) FT157929(?) FT158041(?) FT158177(?) FT158239(?) FT158266(?) FT158335(?) FT19622(?) FT458144(?) Y152992/BY159906(?) Y201754(?) Y201836(?) Y201839(?) Y201852(?) Y262339(?) Y63813(?)
┣━R-FT7270 A6483(?) BY27741(?) BY39301(?) FGC1064(?) FT6763($) FT7270(?) Y103286(?) Y107473(?) Y108414(?) Y110684(?) Y86601(?) Y87371(?) Y87589($) Y88009(?) Y88547(?) Y89268(?) Y90631($) Y91063(?) Y95936(?) Y96146(?) Y97313(?) Y98737(?) Y98939($)
┣━R-FTA2489 +2 FTA2489(?)
┣━R-S14469 +2 S14469/FGC4183($)
┣━R-Y11667 +1 FT16936(?) Y11667($)
┣━R-Y11932 +1 BY57588(?) BY77633(?) FT27786(?) FT28074(?) FT28187(?) FT29065($) FT29315(?) FT29760(?) FT301387(?) FT31006(?) FT31847(?) FT390316(?) FT390749(?) MF604298(?) PH1374(?) S1567(?) S1569/V5998($) S1570($) V5133/Y11934(?) V5488/S1561- V6521/S1573(?) Y11931(?) Y11932(?) Y11933/PH3622(?) Y11935(?) Y19909(?) Y19912(?) Y19915($) Y38286(?)
┣━R-Y186860 FT255509(?) FT255938(?) FT256056(?) FT256076(?) FT256587(?) MF44535(?) MF655132(?) Y186690/FT257008($) Y186714/FT256918(?) Y186752/FT256304(?) Y186809(?) Y186814/FT256840(?) Y186860/FT257399(?) Y186884/FT257027(?) Y186902/FT256754(?) Y186912/FT256977($) Y186948(?) Y186965/FT256772(?) Y187064(?) Z26691($) Z44639/Y24128(?)
┣━R-Y187919 +1 FGC53559(?) FT191711(?) FT58110($) Y187919($) Y187935(?) Y187999(?) Y188053(?) Y188141($) Y188206(?) Y188239(?) Y188430(?) Y263781(?) Y263782(?) Y331922(?) Y331923(?) Y331924(?) Y331925(?) Y331926(?) Y331927(?) Y331928(?) Y331929(?) Y331930(?) Y331940(?) Y331992(?) Y331999(?) Z29966(?) Z29969(?) Z29970($) Z29973(?) Z29974(?) Z29975($) Z29979($) Z29980($)
┣━R-Y22151 +1 BY3508($) BY3509(?) FT1455(?) FT1902(?) FT2191(?) Y150914(?) Y22151(?) Y22152($) Y22153(?) Y22692/BY1185(?) Y22693/BY1814(?) Y22694(?) Y22695/BY1785(?)
┣━R-Y22192 +1 FGC63186/BY14170/Y31606(?) FT28197(?) Y125249(?) Y22188(?) Y22191(?) Y22192(?) Y22194(?) Y22928(?) Y22929(?)
┣━R-Y38089 +1 Y38089($) Y38090(?)
┣━R-Y3961 +3 Y3961(?) Y3962/DF110($)
┣━R-Y61958 Y61135($) Y61958($) Y63064($) Y63111(?) Y63773(?) Y64123(?) Y65177(?) Y65610(?) Y65957(?) Y67641(?) Y68687(?) Y69945(?) Y72084(?) Y73574(?) Y74240(?) Y77153(?) Y77939/PR7031(?) Y80330(?)
┣━R-Y84137 Y84137($)
┣━R-Z258 +2 Z258/S372(?) Z367/S255($)
┗━R-Z49 +7 Z49($) Z68/S485($)

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Next best prediction (scored 344 compared to 345) R-U152

Tracing back my ancestry it belonged to my great-great-grandfather, of Italian origin, as far back I could go. I don't know if it is in line with my family tree story.

: https://www.phylogeographer.com/scri...newlookup=R-L2

Morley says: R1b1a2a1a2b1 [R1b-L2] (https://ytree.morleydna.com)