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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    European teams must make it a mandate
    only native players with at least 2-3 generations play for national team.

    They can choose only European players
    or limit it to only from specific country.

    In the case of France how it would apply? We are a bit in the same situation then USA, with a old black minority. For the curent team football, it's not the case but earlier, all the black guys came from french overseas island. Their family are french longer than most of your country exists.
    Are they consider as native?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    In the case of France how it would apply? We are a bit in the same situation then USA, with a old black minority. For the curent team football, it's not the case but earlier, all the black guys came from french overseas island. Their family are french longer than most of your country exists.
    Are they consider as native?
    Before the post-ww2 era the French Antilles were merely French colonies and not "overseas France". Their natives are descendants of African slaves. Do you have no concept of French peoplehood? Do you even think there is no such thing as ethnic French or that Europeans are not really white people?
    Last edited by TheForeigner; 12-23-2022 at 07:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    In the case of France how it would apply? We are a bit in the same situation then USA, with a old black minority. For the curent team football, it's not the case but earlier, all the black guys came from french overseas island. Their family are french longer than most of your country exists.
    Are they consider as native?
    How many generations have the oldest Sub-Saharan Africans been in Continent/Metro France (not colonies) in large numbers?

    Its a tough case but something has to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Before the post-ww2 era the French Antilles were merely French colonies and not "overseas France". Their natives are descendants of African slaves. Do you have no concept of French peoplehood? Do you even think there is no such thing as ethnic French or that Europeans are not really white people?

    You play on the word, what does it changes that they were colonies instead of french overseas? Still part of France that we want it or not. And i said it as a french guy who beleive we should give indeendance to thoses places annd cut link with.
    I do people there is ethnic french, just clarify your position.

    What is your position about black in USA team? Are they not americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    How many generations have the oldest Sub-Saharan Africans been in Continent/Metro France (not colonies) in large numbers?

    Its a tough case but something has to be done.
    Depend of the place but around 1650 the black population were there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    You play on the word, what does it changes that they were colonies instead of french overseas? Still part of France that we want it or not. And i said it as a french guy who beleive we should give indeendance to thoses places annd cut link with.
    I do people there is ethnic french, just clarify your position.

    What is your position about black in USA team? Are they not americans?
    I don't think that you should not allow blacks or any other race in national team. What would be the reason, if their families were allowed to migrate to France and they are citizens. The real mistake was to allow those people in the country in such large numbers, in the first place. If there remained only small numbers of them in France, then the team would have stayed all white or almost all white like it was as recent as in the 1980s with Michel Platini's team.
    For me American blacks are not real Americans or at least not a part of what used to be the American people historically, which only included white people. But then again, if you are gonna be stupid enough to have forced integration and affirmative action, why not also pack the sports teams with blacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    Depend of the place but around 1650 the black population were there.
    Colonies are not the same thing as Metropolitan France and the small numbers of pre-ww2 hardly matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    The real mistake was to allow those people in the country in such large numbers, in the first place. If there remained only small numbers of them in France, then the team would have stayed all white or almost all white like it was as recent as in the 1980s with Michel Platini's team.
    I just agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    I don't think that you should not allow blacks or any other race in national team. What would be the reason, if their families were allowed to migrate to France and they are citizens. The real mistake was to allow those people in the country in such large numbers, in the first place. If there remained only small numbers of them in France, then the team would have stayed all white or almost all white like it was as recent as in the 1980s with Michel Platini's team.
    For me American blacks are not real Americans or at least not a part of what used to be the American people historically, which only included white people. But then again, if you are gonna be stupid enough to have forced integration and affirmative action, why not also pack the sports teams with blacks?
    How do you define a 'real American'? The US is an immigrant nation in a way no European or Asian nation is. In any event, African-Americans are among the oldest Americans, and have been there longer than most Irish, Poles, Italians, Greeks, Russians etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    European teams must make it a mandate
    only native players with at least 2-3 generations play for national team.
    Then what would be the meaning of "European national teams"?? looking like clubs, where you can sign to who you wish?

    zero foreigners would be the correct.

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