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    Question Where the hell did E-V13 come from?

    Do any of you guys have any clues where E-V13 came from? For instance, from which ancient tribe(s) do you think this lineage first originated? It doesn't seem closely linked to Thracians and Illyrians at all (as those were most likely either R1b-Z2103 or J2b2--L283 according to ancient DNA studies which dealt with Iron and Bronze Age remains). Moreover, it also seems loosely tied to Ancient Greeks (it only showed up in 2 samples from a Late Greek Iron Age site in Sicily but didn't show up in any earlier samples from the Mycenaean and Minoan periods so far). Its present-day high frequencies in the Balkans (especially among Kosovar Albanians) appear to have been caused by a relatively recent founder effect. Truth be told, it does look like its presence on the European continent may not be as old as we think it is.



    I know this is an extremely touchy subject for many people on this forum, but I'd still like to hear you guys' opinions on the matter.
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    Prob EEF IMO, since this happen in all Europe in varied frequencys


    So colonial that hurts to see hehe

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    I read somewhere that E-V22 is much older than E-V13.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    Prob EEF IMO, since this happen in all Europe in varied frequencys
    E-V13 didn't show up in any Neolithic samples so far either. Those were overwhelmingly G2a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    I read somewhere that E-V22 is much older than E-V13.
    Much older in Europe? I doubt that tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    E-V13 didn't show up in any Neolithic samples so far either. Those were overwhelmingly G2a.
    Hm, ty for the correction
    So honestly, no idea, when this start a show in europe? BA?


    So colonial that hurts to see hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    Hm, ty for the correction
    So honestly, no idea, when this start a show in europe? BA?
    How about Hellenized Egyptians (or Phoenicians) during the Classical period?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    Much older in Europe? I doubt that tbh.
    I have not mentioned Europe.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Africa, as any branch of haplogroup E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Africa, as any branch of haplogroup E.
    So you think the first E-V13 carriers came to Europe as Negroes and/or Mulattoes?
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