Where the hell did E-V13 come from?

**Miko** · 01-06-2023, 12:43 AM

I think they migrated from descendants of Natufians, or maybe Egyptians(haplogroup E carriers).
Since there aren't Myceneans, samples seem to suggest they came right before the Dark Ages. And later they expanded to all of Europe during the Roman Empire.

**Power77** · 01-06-2023, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Miko

I think they migrated from descendants of Natufians, or maybe Egyptians(haplogroup E carriers).
Since there aren't Myceneans, samples seem to suggest they came right before the Dark Ages. And later they expanded to all of Europe during the Roman Empire.

Interesting insight. Maybe E-V13 has something to do with the Pelasgians? How do you think Albanians got this haplogroup though? Are Proto-Albanians originally a Pelasgian tribe (represented by E-V13) that has assimilated and mixed with various Thraco-Illyrian groups (represented by R1b-Z2103 and J2b2-L283)? Perhaps they were the opposite? That is a Thraco-Illyrian population that has absorbed a Pelasgian element (probably in Roman times) before the Slavic invasions of the Balkans.

**Loki** · 01-06-2023, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Power77

How about Hellenized Egyptians (or Phoenicians) during the Classical period?

That's very possible, or something like that.

**Loki** · 01-06-2023, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Power77

So you think the first E-V13 carriers came to Europe as Negroes and/or Mulattoes?

Absolutely not!

**Loki** · 01-06-2023, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

Africa, as any branch of haplogroup E.

Not all branches originated in Africa. E-V13 doesn't seem to have.

**catgeorge** · 01-06-2023, 04:20 AM

The Arab branch came from the Romans as Arab branch is very young at 1500 years

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5786/

This is Roman branch ~4700 years old

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS1273/

This is Balkan branch ~4400 years old

Balkan Branch is absolutely massive

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY3880/

**hazmatnik** · 01-06-2023, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

Balkan Branch is absolutely massive

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY3880/

Are you sure this is "Balkan branch"? There are people everywhere.

**catgeorge** · 01-06-2023, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by hazmatnik

Are you sure this is "Balkan branch"? There are people everywhere.

Pretty confident considering the age of samples the downstream is enormous.

**hazmatnik** · 01-06-2023, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

Pretty confident considering the age of samples the downstream is enormous.

So we were seeding people from UAE to Morocco, i would be proud of that (since both of my branches are below BY3880) but i think they cycled many many times around and came back with many other people.

**catgeorge** · 01-06-2023, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by hazmatnik

So we were seeding people from UAE to Morocco, i would be proud of that (since both of my branches are below BY3880) but i think they cycled many many times around and came back with many other people.

Very possible your guess is as good as mine what happened 4000 to 1000 years ago.