Myths debunked by genetic studies.

[Snake_]

That J-L283 and R1b-Z2103 are recently from the Caucasus or non-European.
That I-Y3120 is Illyrian/Thracian.

[Dušan]

I feel very big sympathy and affinity for Moldovans not only but also because they are genetically so similar to Serbo-Croatian speakers. I think Dušan does too.
Before genetics I wouldn't expect Romance-speakers from eastern Europe would be similar to us.

Yes, I do like both Moldovans and Romanians.

I got more interested in Moldovans after getting autosomal results, showing they are similar to us.

Southern and central Moldovans are close to Serbs and part of Bosniaks.
Northern Moldovans are close to Croats and part of Bosniaks.

[JohnnyP]

I don't think that's a popular myth, most people already know Ancient Macedonians were Greek or Greek-Like.

Myth is debunked , the Ancient Macedonians were NOT a Greeks.

[Dušan]

Myth is debunked , the Ancient Macedonians were NOT a Greeks.

Medieval North Macedonians are bit different than modern.




Distance to: MKD_MA:I2530
0.02649123 Moldovan
0.02950083 Serbian
0.03085576 Romanian
0.03195199 Montenegrin
0.03443137 Bulgarian
0.03584209 Bosnian
0.03609124 Macedonian
0.03677063 Croatian
0.03776997 Gagauz
0.03817394 Slovenian

[Mortimer]

That Ancient Macedonians were not a Greeks.

In austrian school in the 90s in history class I learned that macedonians were not greeks but conquered greeks I did not learn they were slavs either just not greeks but macedonians like there were many ancients like thracians illyrians romans etc

[Jana]

Standard ancient Macedonian samples we have were Illyrian like genetically. Certainly different from Greeks.

There were couple of very southern Aegean like Greek outliers (one even MENA like) among them tho, iirc.

[Cybele]

Majority of Romanians claim this, including local Romanian users. Moldovans are considered second class people in Romania, and I speak primarily about these from Romania Moldova, these from MD in general are considered third class people, interwar period showed this very well.

This is off topic, but have you been to Romania? Have you personally been treated like a third class citizen in here? I had a colleague from Rep. of Moldova and I've never heard anyone saying bad things to her because of her birthplace or mocking her for her accent or different vocabulary. If anything, some were curious but not in a negative way. Later, I found out, that a relative would tell her she "goes to the Gypsies" when she would be arriving in Romania. Btw "the Gypsies" would exempt her from collage tax. So maybe there is a prejudice towards Romanians in Rep. of Moldova, but we're not so aware of it, because there are much less Romanians going to the Republic than vice-versa. I've noticed also that Moldovans (MD) would mainly stick together. They seem much more cohesive than Romanians to be honest. But there are also mixed couples (mainly Moldovan women and Romanian men) and I've never heard of prejudice against the former.

[dviz]

Majority of Romanians claim this, including local Romanian users. Moldovans are considered second class people in Romania, and I speak primarily about these from Romania Moldova, these from MD in general are considered third class people, interwar period showed this very well.

Duuude. Wallachians are completely mixed with Moldovans, nobody in the South considers Moldovans second class. Sometimes frustrated Transylvanians moan about "regateni" (meaning Moldovans+Wallachians) but that's rare. In everyday experience Transylvanians are welcoming people.

Now, in the interwar period, Romanians killed many bolsheviks, including bolshevik Moldovans. For a while, there was a full blown war between the Red Army and Romanian Army, a war the communists lost but never acknowledged it. You seem to be very influenced by the postwar soviet propaganda in your views on Romanians (the famous Romanian gendarme story told by babushkas). Romanians loathe everything related to tsarist or soviet power, and rightly so. But of course, on the Russian side, the hate is reciprocated. RM Moldovans will have to pick a side, nu poti sta cu fundul-n doua barci pentru totdeauna.

[Florin Radu]

I don't think anyone in Romania believes that Moldovans from RM are assimilated East Slavs, but some may use this sensitive topic to insult and spread division.

You have some misplaced anger toward Wallachians. Wallachians talk a lot of shit, but in reality there are more Transylvanians who kind of look down on Moldovans (and quite a lot of it is instigated by Hungarians who lost their position of power in the region).

Majority of Romanians claim this, including local Romanian users. Moldovans are considered second class people in Romania, and I speak primarily about these from Romania Moldova, these from MD in general are considered third class people, interwar period showed this very well.

It's overstated that Transylvanians always look down on Moldovans. Not really true. I heard this complaint from Moldovans but don't know anybody who really has this attitude toward Moldovans in real life. This gets projected on us with no evidence.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I dont know how did you get this info, i have never heard any transylvanian hungarian to talking about moldavians.

I live in Transylvania and the Hungarians I know mostly dislike Wallachians for being more Balkan than expected and in comparison to the average Transylvanian Romanian. Generally they distinguish by accent.