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    What are some myths commonly held, or theories that you personally believed in, that were busted by modern genetic research?
    Some classics are:
    -ancient greeks and romans were very different from their modern counterparts. Greeks used to be more nordic, with more blondes.
    -ashkenazi jews are mostly european converts to judaism
    -northern italians are not that genetically different from central europeans thanks to lombard admixture (they are despite their geographic closeness to Austria and Slovenia; lombards were a small tribe that got swallowed up by the natives)
    -Slavs were already in the balkans before the fall of the roman empire
    -South Slavs are overwhelmigly natives only linguistically slavicized
    -haplogroup I2a2-din wasn't brought by the slavs from Ukraine
    -Albanians came from the Caucasus. This myth originates from the fact that romans called Alba, Albania mountainous places such as Scotland and Georgia. In some maps you see the name "Albania" over modern-day Georgia.
    -Turks are islamized Greeks
    -Blondism in Sicily is correlated with norman ancestry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    What are some myths commonly held, or theories that you personally believed in, that were busted by modern genetic research?
    Some classics are:
    -ashkenazi jews are mostly european converts to judaism
    Actually, genetic studies show that Ashkenazis are mostly descendants of Roman settlers in Judaea who converted to Judaism, assimilated some locals into the group, and later migrated back to Europe.

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    That north iberians are pure Celtic, white people with very high incidences of blonde hair and/ or blue eyes. And the south is full of brown moorish, gyspy, Arab, etc. remnants.

    ^ that is a pure ironic comment by the way. I doubt people actually think that but it still has merit as a legitimate myth.

    Truth: the differences in genetics in Iberia majorly flow east to west not north to south. For example, a person from alto Minho nearby Galicia won't be genetically or much physically different to someone from Faro on the coastal most southern point. Same applies to most of Spain... someone in Huelva or Sevilla genetically are quite similar to Leonese, Valencians close to Catalonians. There may be more possibility for tiny extraneous traces in the very south of anywhere but not enough to really even question differences at all on ethnic grounds

    Source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aav4040
    [1] "distance%=1.7256"

    West_Iberia_IA,54.4
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    Berber_EMA,10.8
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    Scotland_EIA,6.6

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    That Albanians are 100% Illyrian and modern Greeks 100% Ancient Greek, there is also other admixture in both populations. Same can be said for many European populations in general.

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    It is sometimes said native people below the Rhine who are darker have significant Spanish ancestry.
    Apparently this is debunked: https://www.ibe.upf-csic.es/news/-/a...4443/maximized

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    In general everything, because nothing was what it seemed, as often happens in different topics throughout life.
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vader View Post
    That north iberians are pure Celtic, white people with very high incidences of blonde hair and/ or blue eyes. And the south is full of brown moorish, gyspy, Arab, etc. remnants.

    ^ that is a pure ironic comment by the way. I doubt people actually think that but it still has merit as a legitimate myth.

    Truth: the differences in genetics in Iberia majorly flow east to west not north to south. For example, a person from alto Minho nearby Galicia won't be genetically or much physically different to someone from Faro on the coastal most southern point. Same applies to most of Spain... someone in Huelva or Sevilla genetically are quite similar to Leonese, Valencians close to Catalonians. There may be more possibility for tiny extraneous traces in the very south of anywhere but not enough to really even question differences at all on ethnic grounds

    Source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aav4040
    yeah mostly all iberians are the Celtiberian type with minor mix of other things Iberia is very homogenous


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    Quote Originally Posted by vader View Post
    That north iberians are pure Celtic, white people with very high incidences of blonde hair and/ or blue eyes. And the south is full of brown moorish, gyspy, Arab, etc. remnants.

    ^ that is a pure ironic comment by the way. I doubt people actually think that but it still has merit as a legitimate myth.

    Truth: the differences in genetics in Iberia majorly flow east to west not north to south. For example, a person from alto Minho nearby Galicia won't be genetically or much physically different to someone from Faro on the coastal most southern point. Same applies to most of Spain... someone in Huelva or Sevilla genetically are quite similar to Leonese, Valencians close to Catalonians. There may be more possibility for tiny extraneous traces in the very south of anywhere but not enough to really even question differences at all on ethnic grounds

    Source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aav4040
    Yeah before i get in genetics i alr saw many videos saying that North Iberians were Celts, but when i start studing i saw that first mostly iberians descends from Northern settlers and that the genetic diference is iberia btw populations is very low at a country nivel and just varies a bit in a individual level, like a Galician can have 15% NA while a Murcian 2% NA , the regions overlap a lot
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