Hungary ranked most corrupt country in the EU

[Alenka]

Unfortunately I don't have a crypto wallet (yet..). Yes I am aware of the fact that donations from Russia are difficult because of the financial sanctions. I totally understand that. Maybe some day we will find a way around that.

All it takes is downloading something like MetaMask. It's quite simple to use.
It gives you a unique #ID which can then be used as your adress for members to send donations even in the form of crypto.
This makes the transactions totally anonymous, so chances are even more members will donate.
I'd suggest looking into it.

[Loki]

All it takes is downloading something like MetaMask. It's quite simple to use.
It gives you a unique #ID which can then be used as your adress for members to send donations even in the form of crypto.
This makes the transactions totally anonymous, so chances are even more members will donate.
I'd suggest looking into it.

Thank you! I will look into this

[Blondie]

Yea yea, these guys sold Hungarian citizenship for money for all kinds of Arabs etc, but at least they copied the Russian LMBTQ laws that are not even being enforced.

They are quality migrants, thats why you dont see such ghettos in Hungary, because these migrants are well educated and monitored. This way is 1000x more better than the "welcome everyone" policy.

[Mingle]

Perception of corruption (the type of data that Transparency International collects) is not a measure of corruption - it is just a cultural marker, useless for comparisons between countries.

Tax evasion is the best proxy for corruption. Here are some figures of the tax evasion done through Swiss banks (though obviously only a fraction of the tax evasion goes through Swiss banks):

This implies that Africa is the least corrupt continent by far and that Europe is the most corrupt.

[dviz]

This implies that Africa is the least corrupt continent by far and that Europe is the most corrupt.

The map shows absolute numbers, but maybe a more relevant figure would have been the tax evasion as a ratio of GDP, to see how big the dark economy is in each country.

In regards to Africa, it has small economies, and perhaps the tax evasion through Swiss banks is not something rich Africans do.

[Mingle]

The map shows absolute numbers, but maybe a more relevant figure would have been the tax evasion as a ratio of GDP, to see how big the dark economy is in each country.

In regards to Africa, it has small economies, and perhaps the tax evasion through Swiss banks is not something rich Africans do.

Yeah, that's why I don't think it's a good measure.

[Loki]

I am living in Hungary and I have personal experience with these people. Not just me, some of my family members have worked for, or with them in the past. Why do you think I hate them so much even tho Im definitely right wing?

What does "right wing" mean? Lindsey Graham from America is also supposedly "right wing". Doesn't mean a thing.

Or are you a Jobbik supporter perhaps? I don't really know much about them to be honest.

[oszkar07]

Well, there's a globo alternative in being "corrupt free" state invaded by hordes of aliens, indoctrinated with LGBT-agenda bullshit and all kinds of degeneracy. I'd prefer corruption. Orban is not the saviour but he does ok things, let them steal in exchange for not listening the mullah every morning. Every person builds his future himself anyway, not a mommy state for him. People and nations steal their future themselves by not reproducing and sinking in hedonism, that's a common problem from Lisbon to Vladivostok, we're all part of problem, inculding me, you and others, there's no one else to blame.

what about lavish hedonism of corrupt governments using their riches for lavish cocaine orgy parties with prostitutes etc.

I dont really care if they do that but least I wont pretend such hedonism isnt here there and everywhere.

[Jana]

Hungary is highly corrupt (just like Croatia and most of other post socialist countries), but Ukraine is even more. Ukraine has African level corruption. Hungary certainly isn't that bad.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Tax evasion is the best proxy for corruption. Here are some figures of the tax evasion done through Swiss banks (though obviously only a fraction of the tax evasion goes through Swiss banks):

Isn't money laundering worse?

I wouldn't say that Russia has high corruption, because it is different in a principled way. Russia has a democratic look, but is contructed differently.

Agreed. If we compare Sweden to say the UK, Sweden has a much more established system of personal details etc. so it's difficult to i.e. launder money, since they have to know who your are (social security number is used everywhere) and where you got the money etc.

In eastern European countries, this system isn't as developed because people were used to not having issues such as large financial frauds and so on (socialist/communist system). You couldn't "do crypto" and fraud people and get away with it. When fraud existed, it was on a much smaller scale.

Also, as for property ownership, nobody worried about it being registered somewhere, because it had been owned by this or that family for many generations. This isn't an issue of corruption, but rather an issue of not having fully changed to the modern way of handling these things.

It is like computer technology: in the beginning it will come with benefits, but you also have to have protection if it is used against you, which some countries haven't really put as much effort into. It could perhaps be because they are not fully onboard with this new way of doing things.

Then there are also examples (in former Yugoslavia) where there were rules that said that a teacher wasn't allowed to base a grade (in school) on the student's ethnicity. It was illegal, but some did it anyways. So, corruption also has a lot to do with the people who commit those acts.