Why is Iberia, the most Mediterranean region of Europe?

[Septentrion]

The classic Mediterranean type predominates Spain and Portugal. Please explain. No stupid or trollish statements are needed. Let’s use civility.
The Gracile Med as well as the Atlanto-Med minority are all part of the Western Mediterranean subrace.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why is Belgium the most Mediterranean region of Central Europe?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I'll never understand why Cristiano Viejo wants to start a fight over nothing. Why is this worth fighting over?

One of the most worthless posters on the forum.

[Jingle Bell]

The classic Mediterranean type predominates Spain and Portugal. Please explain. No stupid or trollish statements are needed. Let’s use civility.
The Gracile Med as well as the Atlanto-Med minority are all part of the Western Mediterranean subrace.

Bcs they have a lot of ENF dna, and this results in mostly EEF features, Gracile Med is almost full of ENF features, and Atlanto Med is majority ENF but with some of robust features like WHG and the height (Sometimes) can be from Yamnaya, and the Iberians are kinda homogenous basically they are Med + Alpine, unlike Italy which is a mix of Med + Dinaric + Alpine and Greece which is all what Italy have + Pontid and North Pontid.
This is a good thing, in my opnion Gracile Med and Atlanto Med looks rly good, and are phenotypes who comes from natives (Like Iberians, Tartessian, Lusitanis), i belive others comum phenotypes like Alpine and Nordic get in Peninsula by the Celts (Which are basically the same of modern Central Frenchs genetically) so i assume they where very similar in physical apparence to they, a Average Iberian can be modeled like 40% France IA (Gaul related) + 30 Iberia IA (Native Iberian) + 10 - 20% MENA (Which varies a lot between ppl) + ~10% Slavic and Scandinavian ( Maybe is misread Suebi/Visigoth Dna idk)
I am proud to have Gracile Med features which i got from my father and my portuguese ancestors, i and guess the Iberians are proud of their Med phenotype too

[Cristiano viejo]

Bcs they have a lot of ENF dna, and this results in mostly EEF features, Gracile Med is almost full of ENF features, and Atlanto Med is majority ENF but with some of robust features like WHG and the height (Sometimes) can be from Yamnaya, and the Iberians are kinda homogenous basically they are Med + Alpine, unlike Italy which is a mix of Med + Dinaric + Alpine and Greece which is all what Italy have + Pontid and North Pontid.
This is a good thing, in my opnion Gracile Med and Atlanto Med looks rly good, and are phenotypes who comes from natives (Like Iberians, Tartessian, Lusitanis), i belive others comum phenotypes like Alpine and Nordic get in Peninsula by the Celts (Which are basically the same of modern Central Frenchs genetically) so i assume they where very similar in physical apparence to they, a Average Iberian can be modeled like 40% France IA (Gaul related) + 30 Iberia IA (Native Iberian) + 10 - 20% MENA (Which varies a lot between ppl) + ~10% Slavic and Scandinavian ( Maybe is misread Suebi/Visigoth Dna idk)
I am proud to have Gracile Med features which i got from my father and my portuguese ancestors, i and guess the Iberians are proud of their Med phenotype too

20% MENA AND 10% Slavic and Scandinavian what have you smoked?

[Autrigón]

Perhaps because it is located in the Mediterranean? Although more than a half of the Iberian peninsula coastline is Atlantic.

If you mean about ethnicity, I think Greece represents better the Mediterranean features.

[Jingle Bell]

20% MENA AND 10% Slavic and Scandinavian what have you smoked?

I said 10-20% and these 10% is kinda strange and i guess its just a form to read a extra Yamnaya ancestry maybe, The MENA varies a lot as i alr said, can varies from 20% in Canarians to 0% in Basques and Catalans, i will send u results in Vahaduo

[Jingle Bell]

20% MENA AND 10% Slavic and Scandinavian what have you smoked?

I take off the germanic/Slaivc sample bcs u know, its strange 10% of Visigoth, and i added Levantine samples bcs using only the NA ones the distance were pretty bad:
imagem_2022-10-05_143316981.png
Here the samples if u want to use:


Americas:Amerindian:Karitiana*(Brazil),0.0583345,-0.32001875,0.11799175,0.10865013,-0.11275175,-0.013770125,-0.32290463,-0.38014762,-0.01528825,-0.018428875,0.001623875,-0.00211675,-0.002267,0.02711175,-0.00441075,0.00399425,0.01059375,0.003088,-0.00012575,-0.00109425,-0.0052875,0.01165425,-0.004205625,-0.001430875,-0.0074095
Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD005,0.121791,0.157407 ,0.055437,0.008721,0.072013,0.003347,-0.00188,-0.007154,0.03845,0.053942,-0.008931,0.005845,-0.015163,-0.018854,0.007057,0.013657,0.026729,0.006714,0.005 028,0.002626,0.006364,0.000742,-0.016392,-0.022172,-0.001796
Celtic:Gaul:FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
Nigerian,-0.630905238,0.063446333,0.022483524,0.017442,-0.000820667,0.013174381,-0.041966238,0.046569476,-0.049358429,0.033713667,0.00596181,-0.000278238,0.022674381,0.001979143,0.011671905,-0.009129762,0.007065619,0.001888238,0.005758143,-2.76E-03,0.000956667,0.001737,-0.00144381,-0.000235286,-0.000809714
Medieval_Moors:Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
SLevantine:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1547,0.08081 4,0.151314,-0.058831,-0.084626,-0.016003,-0.033746,-0.00517,-0.006923,0.011249,0.015126,0.000812,0.001199,0.009 812,0.00234,-0.004479,-0.001724,0.005346,0.006208,-0.006285,0.002376,0.001248,0.008408,-0.001356,-0.004338,-0.010059

sorry for saying something without proof, my bad, but here are the results, if you want you can add more samples and see what happens

[Jingle Bell]

Overall I agree but Italy and Greece are more ENF than Iberia. The question is what explains the later having more ENF phenotypic traits than the other two.

I guess its because Greece and Italy instead have more Dinaric elements, which i believe its a Paleo-Balkan and Italic phenotype, and these groups were very ENF influenced

[Jingle Bell]

I guess its because Greece and Italy instead have more Dinaric elements, which i believe its a Paleo-Balkan and Italic phenotype, and these groups were very ENF influenced

Maybe both groups (Dinaric and Med) are mostly ENF derived, the unique diference is Dinaric have a lot of PIE influences in my opnion, Yamnaya reconstrucions are generally Noric or Dinaric looking