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    Default Tax register from 1452 for the South-West of Kosovo

    The first tax register the Ottomans conducted in Kosovo after they occupied it. The register covers the region of Has in the South-West of Kosovo - North-East Albania region, Gora in Kosovo and Opoje in Kosovo. Except for the Gora region south of it which is still Slavic, the villages in South-West of Kosovo had majority Albanian and Christian names. Few villages with Albanian-Slavic mixed names. In the 16th century the villages have mostly common Albanian folk names including villages that had formerly Slavic-Albanian names such as Zhur.

    The tax register is in Serbian published by the Serbian researcher Tatjana Katic: https://docplayer.net/57183612-Vilaj...53-godine.html


    Examples from (south-)western Kosovo of some of the Albanian villages mentioned in 1452 that still exist today and few other villages just to show some examples (In bolded are the discernibly and unambiguously Albanian names, general Christian names which were also used by Albanians such as Niko, Nikola, Pavli, Andreja, Marko, Dimitri etc are not bolded);



    Village Mazrek: Strahinja, Đon (Gjon), Đerđi (Gjergj), Mazrak, Bardo (Bardh), Progon, Sunbula (?), Đon (Gjon), Stepan, Tudor, Pavli, Mazrek, Đon (Gjon), Lješ (Llesh)


    Village Gorožup (Gorozhup): Martin, Progon, Đon (Gjon), Lazar, Đon (Gjon), Čubran (?), Đin (Gjin), Nikola, Đin (Gjin), Staniša, Đin (Gjin), Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Đerđi (Gjergj), Đin (Gjin), Pavli, Đin (Gjin), Marćen (?), Đon (Gjon), Andreja, Vlk, Nikola, Tanuš (Tanush), Bazrek (possibly a misspelling of Mazrek), Pavli, Tanuš (Tanush), Đon (Gjon), Dimitri, Pavli, D'minko, Pavli, D'minko, Nikola, Đerđi (Gjergj), Hrebeljan, Bardo (Bardh), Stepan


    Village Kojushe: Đerđi (Gjergj), Đon (Gjon), Đerđi (Gjergj), Andreja, Đerđi (Gjergj), Pavli, Tanuš (Tanush), Andreja, Pavli, Nikola, Đerđi (Gjergj), Tanuš (Tanush), Đin (Gjin), Nikola, Petri, Đin (Gjin), Đon (Gjon)


    Village Plana (Planeje): Đerđi (Gjergj), Pavli, Tudor, Kuzma, Gerber (?), Đon (Gjon), Andreja, Tola, Progon





    Village Zizer (Possibly modern Zrze / Xerxe): Lazar, Sunbula, Sunbula, Đon (Gjon), Zot, Andreja, Niko, Strej, Kalojor-gi, Mihalj, Đin (Gjin), Progon, Đon (Gjon), Tihosav.


    Village Trmeš: Đon (Gjon), Andreja, Pavli, Đerđi (Gjergj), Tanuš (Tanush), Andreja, Đon (Gjon), Đerđi (Gjergj).


    Village Sdec: Đon (Gjon), Dimitri, Nikola, Nekša, Djerđi (Gjergj), Andreja, Niko, Nekša, Djin (Gjin), Kalojan, Djin (Gjin), Vasil, Leka


    Village Milaj: Pavli, Andreja, Marćen (possibly mispelling of Marshen), Mava, Nikola, Kuzma, Dimitri, Niko, D′minko, Dimitri


    Village Zubovce (possibly modern Zym): Nikola, Niko, Đerđi (Gjergj), Dimitri, Pavli, Zgur (a corruption of Skur(r)a), Lik (Lika), Nikola, Niko, Bogoslav


    Village Žur (Zhur): Krajslav, Brat, Olivera, Stojan, Badra (misspelling of Barda), Raško, Nekša (possibly a misspelling of Meksha), Đin (Gjin), Tanuš (Tanush), Pavli, Dimitri, Kalina (?), Jugan (?), Barda (Bardh), Marko, Bogdan, Novak, Ivan, Božić

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    What does this mean (coming from someone who is clueless about this topic)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Reptilian View Post
    What does this mean (coming from someone who is clueless about this topic)?
    It means Kosovo had a significant native Albanian population when the Ottomans occupied it. Yet the Serbian nationalists claim there were no Albanians there.

    For years they used a tax register which only covered some small parts of Kosovo to supposedly claim it covered the entire region and that there were only 48 Albanian houses there:

    The Ottoman cadastral tax census (defter) of 1455 in the District of Branković (defter Vuk-ili) is one of the oldest Ottoman tax registers in the Balkans. The District of Branković at the time of the defter included parts of central Serbia (present-day Toplica District and the historical Raška region), part of northeastern Montenegro and parts of eastern Kosovo (the Kosovo plain).[1] The defter recorded:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1455_d...Branković

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    The names that are listed is each house for each village if you don't understand. Most of those villages are Albanians with Christian and Albanian names. Few with mix of Slavic and Albanian.

    ''No Albanians in Kosovo before Ottomans''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tani View Post
    It means Kosovo had a significant native Albanian population when the Ottomans occupied it. Yet the Serbian nationalists claim there were no Albanians there.

    For years they used a tax register which only covered some small parts of Kosovo to supposedly claim it covered the entire region and that there were only 48 Albanian houses there:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1455_d...Branković
    It shouldn't surprise anyone if extremists make ridiculous claims. You kind of learn that after having listened to what they say, but at your own expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Reptilian View Post
    It shouldn't surprise anyone if extremists make ridiculous claims. You kind of learn that after having listened to what they say, but at your own expense.
    They also claim Bosniaks are Serbian Muslims which is nonsense. It's another topic I am going to open and debunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tani View Post
    They also claim Bosniaks are Serbian Muslims which is nonsense. It's another topic I am going to open and debunk.
    True. Bosniaks are just (originally) people from Bosnian lands who are muslim. There were/are serbs who converted to Islam and later "assimilated" into Bosniak identity (look at Isetbegovic's ancestor, who was a muslim form Belgrade). Also, if you look at the Bosniak DNA project, many of them are actually just muslim slavs of the Balkans and not necessarily "Bosniak".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Reptilian View Post
    True. Bosniaks are just (originally) people from Bosnian lands who are muslim. There were/are serbs who converted to Islam and later "assimilated" into Bosniak identity (look at Isetbegovic's ancestor, who was a muslim form Belgrade). Also, if you look at the Bosniak DNA project, many of them are actually just muslim slavs of the Balkans and not necessarily "Bosniak".
    Izetbegovići from Belgrade settled to Šamac in NE Bosnia in 1861. One Izetbegović from Šamac is recently tested and he is I2-PH908. His haplotype is close to haplotype of Serbian historical tribe Nikšići (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšići_(tribe))
    A deeper test is needed to find out are Izetbegovići are descendants of Nikšići. If they are genetically Nikšići which is very possible, than they migrations were Old Herzegovina (modern western Montenegro) - Smederevo - Belgrade - Šamac. Izetbegovići lived in Belgrade for generations until 1861, and it's know that they came to Belgrade from Smederevo. Nikšići origin of Izetbegovići is possible for other reason except genetic. Nikšići were Serbian tribe in vlach social status. After the Ottomans conquered Smederevo in 1459. they brought martoloses in Smederevo area who were mostly composed from vlach caste to be a living wall near border with Hungary. Smederevo is on Danube, and Danube in that paet was border between Ottoman empire and Hungary from 1459. to 1520s. Martoloses are islamized in the next few decades after they settled in area.

    This Bosniak politician is also most likely descendant of Nikšići clan, of their islamized branch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nermin_Nikšić

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Izetbegovići from Belgrade settled to Šamac in NE Bosnia in 1861. One Izetbegović from Šamac is recently tested and he is I2-PH908. His haplotype is close to haplotype of Serbian historical tribe Nikšići (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšići_(tribe))
    A deeper test is needed to find out are Izetbegovići are descendants of Nikšići. If they are genetically Nikšići which is very possible, than they migrations were Old Herzegovina (modern western Montenegro) - Smederevo - Belgrade - Šamac. Izetbegovići lived in Belgrade for generations until 1861, and it's know that they came to Belgrade from Smederevo. Nikšići origin of Izetbegovići is possible for other reason except genetic. Nikšići were Serbian tribe in vlach social status. After the Ottomans conquered Smederevo in 1459. they brought martoloses in Smederevo area who were mostly composed from vlach caste to be a living wall near border with Hungary. Smederevo is on Danube, and Danube in that paet was border between Ottoman empire and Hungary from 1459. to 1520s. Martoloses are islamized in the next few decades after they settled in area.

    This Bosniak politician is also most likely descendant of Nikšići clan, of their islamized branch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nermin_Nikšić
    Interesting.

    But I don't see the point in calling them Bosniaks then? Why don't they/people just call them islamized serbs etc.?

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    Some of the areas the tax register covered and that had significant / majority Albanian population




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