Why Russia's enemies hate Putin

[Rædwald]

The fact that Russia can exist outside of the influence of modern western moral framework is evidence against the current cultural zeitgeist, and they resent it.

[gixajo]

The fact that Russia can exist outside of the influence of modern western moral framework is evidence against the current cultural zeitgeist, and they resent it.

Yeah, and the fact that Ukrainie can exists outside the influence and tutelage of Russia serving the eventual Moscow political and geostrategic interests, resent Putin and those who support the idea of Russia as an autonomous hegemonic bloc.

I suppose that if Canada fell or threatened to fall under the tutelage of Russia or Moscow, the United States would invade you.

Some moralistic flag would also be used to sell something merely geostrategic as idealism.

Always the same old story. Everything changes to remain the same.

[Zohor]

The fact North Korea can exist outside of the influence of modern western moral framework is evidence against the current cultural zeitgeist, and West resent it

also

the fact that cannibal tribes can exist outside of the influence of modern western moral framework is evidence against the current cultural zeitgeist, and West ignores it cuz who cares.

Yes, I resent and envy Russian conservatism of having literal ex-KGB agent as head of their national church, I envy how much the common Russians get used by oligarchs and how shitty are treated their citizens forced to take part in fight even tho they won't be motivated enough to fight(so their use on front makes no sense)

No, it's not about Russia who sees only way of progress on expanding/straghtening their "sphere of influence" by cost of weaker ones by military and dividing neighbouring nations by paying for some politicians(not only Russia tho and I am hell aware of that)

[Rædwald]

It's a war over cultural dominance, always has been.

[Loki]

Testing

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Because he does things that produce hate.

And because it is acting in a very aggressive and intimidating way autonomously and without apparent control from anyone in the pursuit of its own interests too close to the West. If he does it in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq , Libya, Chechnya,Venezuela, Georgia or Syria, it wouldn't have been as worrisome and it wouldn't have aroused as much hate.

You insist again on the thesis of anti-globalism and the defense of traditional values. It is understandable, it is a propaganda idea aimed at gaining the support of Westerners (and others)with your way of thinking.

However I can agree that that hate towards Putin is fueled by Western propaganda to a large degree especially in Westerners, but the vast majority of its neighbors and former satellite countries have well-founded reasons to feel really threatened even without the Western propaganda.

I want gixajo to explain why the West should have an interest in Ukraine. Outside of using the Ukraine as a testing ground for how US arms do in a conventional war in contrast to decades of fighting unconventional forces and making death merchant companies wealthy now that Afghanistan is no longer their gravy train.

Russia is a competitor but the West has absolutely no national interests at stake in Ukraine. Unless you're retarded and think Russia wants or is even able to steamroll Eastern Europe and there are idiots who think that based on living in a time warp.

[gixajo]

It's a war over cultural dominance, always has been.

Cultural dominance is only a means for effective control of the territory and its people.

The United States cares little that Saudi Arabia is a feudal monarchy that hangs gays and keeps women second-class.

And Russia would care little if there is a Nazi president of Jewish descent in the Ukraine hanging rainbow flags over a statue of Lenin if it obeyed him and serve his interests.

But in your case, I think your idealism is sincere.

[alnortedelsur]

Cultural dominance is only a means for effective control of the territory and its people.

The United States cares little that Saudi Arabia is a feudal monarchy that hangs gays and keeps women second-class.

And Russia would care little if there is a Nazi president of Jewish descent in the Ukraine hanging rainbow flags over a statue of Lenin if it obeyed him and serve his interests.

But in your case, I think your idealism is sincere.

Unlike Saudi Arabia, Russia is an European, and somewhat western (of the orthodox branch) country, and the globalists elites who want to destroy all the European-white western/christian civilization cannot stand that an European (somewhat western) super power like Russia is not under their sphere of social decadence and open borders.

In their view, if Russia prosper while keeps standing up against Soros and Co. globalist agenda, it can be a "bad example" for the rest of Europe and the western world.

[gixajo]

I want gixajo to explain why the West should have an interest in Ukraine. Outside of using the Ukraine as a testing ground for how their arms do in a conventional war in contrast to decades of fighting unconventional forces and making death merchant companies wealthy now that Afghanistan is no longer their graveyard train.

Russia is a competitor but the West has absolutely no national interests at stake in Ukraine. Unless you're retarded and think Russia wants or is even able to steamroll Eastern Europe and their are idiots who think that based on living in a time warp.

Thank you very much for explaining it to me, you are very kind, although it is not really necessary that you do it. Maybe you should explain this to others.

Many here continue to evaluate this with moral coordinates, and doing this they are wrong.

[alnortedelsur]

Same logic applies to Europeans disliking Erdogan?

It is evident to any person with a functioning brain, that most of Western Europe plus North America, and other western new world counties have their sovereignty being stolen by globalists, and most of the west just have right now a series of anti-national puppet governments who are not at the service of their people but at the service of the world elites. And any exception of a government in a western country who dares to not be servile to the globalists, and put their nation and people first (like not allowing being flooded by "refugees", defending traditional family values, etc) is automatically vilified by the western mainstream media and called "autocratic", "non-democratic" and what not.