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    Something I've wondered for a while is: "What do Britain's (and indeed, Europe's) traditional folk musicians think about multiculturalism, nationalism and the BNP?"

    Popular musicians, as a rule, are vehemently opposed to Nationalism and 'far-right' political parties in their country. This is generally because the popular musicians of today prefer to ignore the 'stuffy' traditions of the past and seek to distance themselves from convention (yet, ironically, lap up current trends).

    However, folk music should be different. It should represent the ostracised viewpoint of the forgotten conservative-minded demographic. I'm a fan of folk music (as I'm sure many here are) and I'm convinced that the very same things which connect me to it so deeply - land, folk, culture, myth, history, nature - are the very things which most folk-fans (should) love about it. So, by definition, folk fans and musicians should be terribly concerned about the erosion of their culture and identity - after all, folk music is nothing if not concerned with identity. So, as mentioned, I've long wondered what Britain's folk musicians/fans feel about the current state of Britain and whether they have even identified that the only political party fighting for the preservation of their identity is the BNP.

    A quick google search produced this partial answer, and I must say, I'm disappointed:

    I met a personal hero the other day - Jon Boden, fiddle player and singer with Bellowhead... Once my slight giddiness had passed, I noticed that Jon Boden had a sticker on his fiddle saying "Anti-Nazi League", an outfit I'd last heard of in the early 1990s. When I asked, it turned out that he'd put it there because Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, had taken to turning up at Kate Rusby gigs and he'd wanted to do something.
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    What's less obvious is why Nick Griffin would have any interest in folk music in the first place? Folk is usually associated with the 1960s popular revival, flower power, the civil rights movement and Left-wing protest songs.
    The curious case of BNP leader Nick Griffin and the folk gig

    A few weeks back I wrote about the curious case of Nick Griffin, the BNP's leader, and the annoyance he was causing on the folk scene by being an enthusiast for Kate Rusby. There have been some developments.

    It turns out that Phil Beer, formerly of the Albion Band and now of Show of Hands, and several other folk staples including Fairport Convention, recently became aware that their music was being sold on the BNP's website on a couple of compilation albums called The Best of British Folk and the Best of British Folk 2, released on a label called Pegasus. They were not happy.

    Jane Brace, a spokeswoman for Show of Hands, told me: "Phil was looking into whether there was anything he could do about having the album removed from the website but since the BNP isn't doing anything illegal he's had no luck. It's not as if the BNP is claiming that Phil or anyone else on the album are supporters of the party. But the bands concerned are putting together a statement of their collective disquiet that the album is being marketed there.
    The BNP and folk music, part two: a question of Roots

    Both from Emma Hartley's Telegraph blog.

    I'm wondering if any of you are knowledgable or connected in any way to the folk music scene, and whether you can shed any light on this issue. Or if not, what are your thoughts? I'm sure we'd all agree that folk music should be concerned about the current state of affairs, but why do you think it appears not to be? Will this change?

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    What's less obvious is why Nick Griffin would have any interest in folk music in the first place? Folk is usually associated with the 1960s popular revival, flower power, the civil rights movement and Left-wing protest songs.
    What's so amazing by the presence of Nick Griffin at a folk music concert?
    His overwhelming urge to preserve the folk of Britain, preserve the heritage of Britain, preserve the culture of Britain... In fact, preserve just about everything folk musicians write and sing about(), aside for one second, Nick Griffin could simply be there to enjoy the music. I know my love of music genres freaks the hell out of some people at times.

    Pro-IRA man: "You hate the IRA but you love the Wolftones?"

    Anti-Racist man: "You don't particularly wish for multiculturalism ie: You are a racist, but you think Stevie Wonder is the "Shit?"

    Left-Wing Man: "You can't stand communism and the left wing, but you think John Lennon was God on Earth?"



    No, folk music was hijacked by 'flower power/civil rights/left wing' morons with a cheap guitar and a few repetitive chords.
    Music belongs to the listener.
    Folk music, as you, Cythraul, correctly identified is about the people, the culture and the heritage of the people.

    I listen to folk music if and when my mood is correct and feel like I am listening in to the harmonics of these lands (sounds silly I know).
    I enjoy listening to Irish folk music, for example, and absolutely love the Wolftones and The Chieftains, etc..

    My favourite track of all time is 'The fields of Athenry'.
    (I have been known to change the words and sing of Athelney. up)


    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I'm sure we'd all agree that folk music should be concerned about the current state of affairs, but why do you think it appears not to be? Will this change?
    Simple fear of being associated with the dreaded NAZIS!!
    Last edited by Beorn; 04-14-2009 at 05:56 PM.

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    Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I genuinely find it confusing that the folk scene isn't more aligned with nationalist ideals. Of course, the obvious answer is - as Wat Tyler put it - the "Simple fear of being associated with the dreaded NAZIS!!". But surely folk musicians should be (or should have become) a people disenfranchised - at odds with the modern world and therefore fearless of rejection. Or not??

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    Dafydd Iwan is the President of Plaid Cymru(not really a nationalist party), he's also a well known folk singer in Wales.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dafydd_Iwan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trefelin View Post
    Dafydd Iwan is the President of Plaid Cymru(not really a nationalist party), he's also a well known folk singer in Wales.
    Interesting. But you're right - when thinking in terms of the loss of folk identity, civic nationalism like Plaid Cymru proposes is useless.

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