The social exclusion - the specific Swedish (ultimate) punishment

[rothaer]

I want to share a very interesting and for sure commonly unknown condition about Sweden and the Swedish society.

I myself was not aware of it for most of my life and I can also imagine that it’s not known to „Atlantic Reptilian“ (I’m not sure). It was made a topic in a comment on some question about racism on a Swedish forum by a Swede. The commentor may be on a more strict position within the Swedish mainstream but he is absolutely serious about this and it’s also essentially applicable. I’ve just translated his comment:

Sweden is the least racist country in the world. This means that your ancestry is not as important as in other countries to be accepted as Swedish. It does not mean that all people are considered Swedish. To be accepted as Swedish, you must show that you understand and accept Swedish values and codes.

Example: two Arab youths are served food in the school canteen. When they arrive at the food bank, they scream:

- Is it pig! I don't eat pig! I'll have other food!

These Arab youths are simultaneously violating several rules and values:

- You call the pig's meat pork. Calling it a pig when the animal is slaughtered, cut and cooked is disrespectful.
- You should not shout.
- You should not make demands, but be grateful and low-key.
- If you break the norm of eating pork, you have set yourself outside the norm of how to behave. Then you have to apologise.
- Remember that you are not better than others. You are not entitled to special treatment. If you want it, you must ask humbly.

The two youngsters have placed themselves outside the human community and will be punished with the harsh punishment normally meted out in Sweden: social exclusion. This is communicated to them with sublime signals, raised eyebrows, perhaps a glance that for a second is directed into the distance. In severe cases: a short sigh.

Here we come to something special about Swedish culture. It is based on everyone understanding what the rules are and being sensitive to the sublime signals given. In a more brutal culture with strong authority, you might have said something like this:

- If you call pork a pig you are not welcome here any more and if you shout at me I will come to your house and curl your mother.

Plain and simple. In Sweden you only say that if you are already outside society. Probably because you are a criminal or mentally ill.

If the young people in the example do not perceive the signals given, they will be excluded. If they don't understand why, the left-wing establishment will explain to them that they are victims of racism.

PS How would they go about properly expressing their opinion?

Said something like this:

- Forgive me but can you tell me if the food contains pork?

- If so, I'm afraid I'd have to abstain for religious reasons.

- Is there possibly an alternative to pork?

- No? Then I'll settle for potatoes today.

- Thank you very much. That's very kind of you.

- (...)

[Jana]

Interesting insight. Sweden is the ultimate passive agressive nightmare. How did you survive in such society?

Germans aren't like that, so I'm curious.

[B01AB20]

Interesting insight. Sweden is the ultimate passive agressive nightmare. How did you survive in such society?

Germans aren't like that, so I'm curious.

The stereotype is that the germans are precisely like that. A collective mindset where individuality is not welcome.

At least here in Spain.

[Jana]

The stereotype is that the germans are precisely like that. A collective mindset where individuality is not welcome.

At least here in Spain.

It's not similar at all. Germans are very direct and not passive agressive like Swedes. I agree they are collectivistic though.
In Germany people will openly tell you what to do, and what you do wrong, but seems Sweden is different story.

I much prefer German way.

[B01AB20]

It's not similar at all. Germans are very direct and not passive agressive like Swedes. I agree they are collectivistic though.
In Germany people will openly tell you what to do, and what you do wrong, but seems Sweden is different story.

I much prefer German way.

I guess you're right about that.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Why would these hypothetical Arab youths care about being socially excluded? As long as they get what they want, they couldn't care less. If you ignore them, they might punch you in the mouth.

[rothaer]

Interesting insight. Sweden is the ultimate passive agressive nightmare. How did you survive in such society?

Germans aren't like that, so I'm curious.

This is very alien to Germans. And most would also not care as they feel no need for such an inclusion. But first of all, you would not even notice all that. I just got it much later when I read it repeatedly.

But these things are fully in force as for Swedes. This also made Swedish physicians ALWAYS follow the administrational non-binding suggestions when it came to not give Covid patients over 80 years of age oxygen but just let them die instead. They all fear - and this is no joke - the "social death". They would likely, as some critical individuals among them excused themselves, not again find any job (most physicians are employed by the state). I'm not sure whether that's a pretext or true. But I got a number of hints that this would be true (the said consequences).

[rothaer]

Why would these hypothetical Arab youths care about being socially excluded? As long as they get what they want, they couldn't care less. If you ignore them, they might punch you in the mouth.

Exactly. And because of that this sophisticated internal Swedish procedure is completely without effect on others. The Swedes can also hardly understand that others partly completely don't care (already Germans don't care). So this explains a part of the Swedish desorientated and dysfuntional dealing with non-Swedes.

[billErobreren]

Nå, Janteløven. Hvor sød! How a folk that wasn't named in a novel set in Jylland took tidbits from as gospel, beats the fuck outta me. Sandemose was Danish-Norwegian. My guess is that we were always that close, but they always talk about Janteløven as an explanation to having an autistic, passive aggressive and shitty attitude. Love Swedes, they're family and all, but I've barely any fucking patience for them.

Interesting insight. Sweden is the ultimate passive agressive nightmare. How did you survive in such society?

Germans aren't like that, so I'm curious.

Danes kinda have this too, heavily Swedish leaning, but slightly more chauvinistic, notoriously sarcastic. Neither Denmark or Sweden brooks a sufferer of tall poppy syndrome. It made itself a part of my upbringing, so I kinda feel bad acknowledging some truth with an anecdotal exposé. The Dutch are great they're a "say what you mean , mean what you say" kinda folk

[Mejgusu]

Foreigners don’t eat food from school canteen, at least most of them don’t. We don’t have enough money for spending 3.20€ for noodles with ketchup. I always had sandwiches and a banana or sometimes leftover food from home. God bless mothers.