View Poll Results: Which is more culturally "Balkan"?

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Thread: Croatia or Transylvania: Which is more culturally "Balkan"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Common words in Serbian and Albanian are borrowed 'Turkish' words (mostly of Persian origin) in both languages and Slavic words. There is no original Albanian words in Serbian language. Except words connected with agriculture, subjects etc. in Albanian language exist some important words of Slavic origin. For example in Albanian Mirë means 'good', in Serbian Mir is 'peace', in Czech Mír is also 'peace', in Russian Mir is 'world.' From Slavic root Mir (peace) is name Miroslav common among Serbs, Poles and Czechs.
    Albania is full of Slavic toponyms, almost as Romania.
    I have already replied to this, see my answer above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    It's true, Romanians are almost equaly distant to average Hungarians and Albanians (excluding Szekelys who are closer to Romanians). But they are closer to Hungarians than Austrians indeed. G25 is not to be used for moderns due to inadequate Davidski averages.
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    7.37293022 Hungarian_Székely
    12.07404655 Albanian
    12.11293523 Hungarian
    15.87309044 Austrian
    This makes sense to me, including the distance to Austrian.

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    Edit: Misread the title. Still going with Croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Distance to: Romanian

    7.37293022 Hungarian_Székely
    12.07404655 Albanian
    12.11293523 Hungarian
    15.87309044 Austrian
    This list looks more realistic, unlike the prev. list.

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    Don't know but in terms of fame it's Transylvania by far thanks to Bram Stoker's "Dracula".

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    I don't see how is Catholic Croatia more culturally Balkan than Orthodox Transylvania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXD60 View Post
    Don't know but in terms of fame it's Transylvania by far thanks to Bram Stoker's "Dracula".
    Nice joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    I found somewhere that Vlachs from Thessaly have far origin from present day southeastern Serbia, i forgot details about that claim.
    This claim was made by Kekaumenos in the 11th century (Vlachs likely lived in modern Greece at this time period):

    "These Vlachs are, in fact, the so-called Dacians, also called Bessians (Bessoi). Earlier they lived in the vicinity of the Danube and Saos, a river which we now call Sava, where the Serbians live today. And later withdrew to their inaccessible fortifications. Relying upon these fortifications, they feigned friendship and submission to the ancient Roman Emperors and then swept down from their strongholds and plundered the Roman provinces. Therefore, the exasperated Romans crushed them. And these left the region. Some of them were dispersed to Epirus and Macedonia, and a large number established themselves in Hellas”.
    Last edited by Mingle; 04-19-2023 at 08:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    This claim was made by Kekaumenos in the 11th century (Vlachs likely lived in modern Greece at this time period):

    "These Vlachs are, in fact, the so-called Dacians, also called Bessians (Bessoi). Earlier they lived in the vicinity of the Danube and Saos, a river which we now call Sava, where the Serbians live today. And later withdrew to their inaccessible fortifications. Relying upon these fortifications, they feigned friendship and submission to the ancient Roman Emperors and then swept down from their strongholds and plundered the Roman provinces. Therefore, the exasperated Romans crushed them. And these left the region. Some of them were dispersed to Epirus and Macedonia, and a large number established themselves in Hellas”.
    Theory of Pannonian origin of the Aromanians https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-o...b7c&srid=3LJeg

    At 1:59 a men standing left and other in the middle have hats as Tosk Albanians.


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    Serbian historian from the video presented a hypothesis that Aromanians are Albanians who are extra latinized in Epirus and Thessaly in 13th and 14th century by Latin speaking noblemen from the west (Italian, Catalan, French) who were present there during the existence of Latin Empire and even quite later after the restoration of Byzantine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Empire
    Catalan mercenaries were present in southern Balkans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company
    First Aromanians who settled in Serbian cities local Serbs called Arnauti and Albanezi, both terms means Albanians. Term Cincari for Aromanians was created later.

    Last edited by Varda; 04-25-2023 at 12:05 AM.

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