"Female is real, and it's sex, and femininity is unreal, and it's gender." Discuss.

[Petalpusher]

I do understand. I myself do have some differences with radical trans activists - as do a lot of gays and lesbians in fact, precisely because they deny biological reality and physical sexual attraction, even calling lesbians who refuse to have sex with lesbians with penises (aka men) "sexual racists". That there is SOME correlation between biology and behaviour cannot be denied, but like I said if men were really so predisposed to be so predatory/aggressive and had no free will or control over themselves, then there would be far more rape, murder and general disorder globally than is actually the case.

Civilization did wonders but it could have been usual in very ancient times, until men might have realized establishing some norms could greatly contribute to elevate their early small societies, instead of violence and chaos which is where human intelligence set us up apart from the animal kingdom, even with its own form of order, it remained stagnant for millions of years.

Any man is capable to overpower a woman into submission to sex or anything else but we ve been increasingly doing it less as civilization advanced, even without laws. I would argue today that lost on a remote island, men would rapidly try to instigate laws as well as traditional gender roles along a clear hiearchy, not for control or predatory purposes but simply to have better chances of survival.

There is however likely a threshold where too much civilization, along abundance, leads to the lack of need for order and hierarchy, dwelving it into destruction. The Universe 25 experiment, as spine chilling as it was, is clicking with everything we see today and possibly is the forthcoming for humans. Except we are able to completely overturn it, unlike rodents.

[Aldaris]

That there is SOME correlation between biology and behaviour cannot be denied, but like I said if men were really so predisposed to be so predatory/aggressive and had no free will or control over themselves, then there would be far more rape, murder and general disorder globally than is actually the case.

I've never said that 'men are predisposed to be so predatory/aggressive and had no free will or control over themselves'. Sorry pal, that's a strawman and a huge exaggeration. Pretty much nobody is saying that. Ask some notable, non-biased neurochemist (a psychologist would do aswell) about that issue.The answer you will get might surprise you. People tend to think that the neurochemical/behavioral differences between men and women are actually smaller than they actually are, while in fact men and women are like day and night, really. In most cases. There are exceptions, but the exceptions actually prove that there is a pattern. You don't deny this, yeah, but in this particular case it's a highly significant one. Much more significant than you seemed to suggest in your earlier posts in this thread.

[Rædwald]

Biological sex is binary, gender is another thing. People seem to confuse it for a persona, or an image that is presented outwardly. When in reality it's heavily influenced by the biological sex. Are there men who are effeminate, and women who are masculine? Naturally, they are the exception to the rule. Trans persons fall into the latter category.

This and the reality of the current political climate, it's become a trend. Another hill of 'social justice' to climb. Gay became passé, and what once was sufficient to bring attention to an individual. To make them unique was no longer enough.


Much in the way of subcultures of the past, people, especially those in adolescence will gravitate toward group identity when they lack a stable self-image of their own. Which more often than not adolescents do. Nevermind the fact that anyone who begins transition will have waves of praise and admiration heaped upon them from the public. What do adolescents desire more than to be acknowledged, validated, and admired?

[Incal]

Thank you for such a profound and thoughtful contribution to this thread...

Most of the time, the truth is way simpler than what most people think.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is mainly due to the trans issue so yes I agree with Germaine Greer. Just because you feel you are a different "gender" does not mean you can change sex. You are still what you are according to your XY and XX chromosomes. Even people like Caster Semenya is still XY so not biologically a woman. Caster has DSD (differences in sex development) but still went through male puberty and has normal levels of testosterone.

I don't agree with trans women being allowed in women's prisons or women's only spaces or being allowed compete with women in sports.

[Grace O'Malley]

The notion that men are 'naturally' more aggressive and women are 'naturally' more gentle and caring. Also, associating certain occupations with one sex or another, e.g. nursing with women or mechanics with men.

On the whole this is basically correct for the majority but if a man has more feminine traits this does not mean he isn't a male or being a tomboy does not mean they aren't female. This is the very simple explanation regarding sex and gender. Putting on a dress and makeup does not make a man a women. Each to their own and if someone wants to do that it is their business but the problem now is trans is interfering with women's hard won rights which people seem to not be grasping. When a trans man wants to be legally considered a woman so that they can access women's only spaces this is where the issue is fraught with all sorts of problems as far as women's rights.

What is interesting is that sexual crimes are far higher in "trans women" than the general male population.

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...nce/18973/pdf/

There is something else going on here.

[catgeorge]

A biological male that behaves and dresses like a female doesn't make them a female.

Schools are infiltrated by absolute trash other than academic value. Hence you now have a generation of the weirdest of people with complete insane ideas trying to pass as normal and progressive in spite biological and scientific fact.

[Smeagol]

Trannies should be locked up in mental asylums away from civilization. They are unstable and dangerous people.

[DraviXi99]

Biological sex is binary, gender is another thing. People seem to confuse it for a persona, or an image that is presented outwardly. When in reality it's heavily influenced by the biological sex. Are there men who are effeminate, and women who are masculine? Naturally, they are the exception to the rule. Trans persons fall into the latter category.

This and the reality of the current political climate, it's become a trend. Another hill of 'social justice' to climb. Gay became passé, and what once was sufficient to bring attention to an individual. To make them unique was no longer enough.


Much in the way of subcultures of the past, people, especially those in adolescence will gravitate toward group identity when they lack a stable self-image of their own. Which more often than not adolescents do. Nevermind the fact that anyone who begins transition will have waves of praise and admiration heaped upon them from the public. What do adolescents desire more than to be acknowledged, validated, and admired?

There's no difference between sex and gender,there's only 2 genders: Men and Women. Now if someone is a faggot,or a tranny,ora troon,or a lesbo dyke,that's another story.

[Tooting Carmen]

On the whole this is basically correct for the majority but if a man has more feminine traits this does not mean he isn't a male or being a tomboy does not mean they aren't female. This is the very simple explanation regarding sex and gender. Putting on a dress and makeup does not make a man a women. Each to their own and if someone wants to do that it is their business but the problem now is trans is interfering with women's hard won rights which people seem to not be grasping. When a trans man wants to be legally considered a woman so that they can access women's only spaces this is where the issue is fraught with all sorts of problems as far as women's rights.

What is interesting is that sexual crimes are far higher in "trans women" than the general male population.



https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...nce/18973/pdf/

There is something else going on here.

I find it particularly worrying the level of harassment someone like Kellie-Jay Keen gets, just because she advocates for the protection of women-only spaces and wears T-shirts saying "Woman: Adult Human Female".