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    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    k13 or k36
    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    U score 27% Euro Hunter Gatherer, not WHG, Euro hunter gathere its EHG + WHG (Iberians have abt 30%), u still inaccurate but less than 30% WHG, theyre also prob using a Natufian sample not a ENF, which makes u score a anormally high EuroHG.

    mine results:


    See, i score 20% here, irl im just 5%, so ur are more likely 27/4 = ~6% WHG

    Could u share ur k13 or k36 results? if u want i can create a simulated coordinates for g25 for u
    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    what about your oracle's results? only for curiosity
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    Done:

    Code:
    Laredo_simk13,0.065604,-0.035381,0.064684,0.031342,-0.017911,-0.009016,-0.117109,-0.135946,0.005018,0.012138,0.000584,0.002785,-0.006293,0.001504,0.000939,0.000850,0.001026,0.000102,-0.000136,-0.000341,0.002199,-0.001754,-0.000058,-0.000229,0.001553
    Code:
    Target: Laredo
    Distance: 1.6153% / 0.01615336
    40.2	Mayan
    31.8	TUR_Barcin_N
    16.8	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    5.8	WHG
    3.0	MAR_Taforalt
    2.4	Yoruba
    As i said, just abt 6% WHG, just for curiosity some models:

    Code:
    Target: Laredo_simk13
    Distance: 0.6861% / 0.00686110
    41.2	S_Eastern_Spain
    39.8	Native_American
    10.0	Western_Spain
    2.8	Southern_Spain
    2.4	Northern_Spain
    2.0	SSA
    1.8	Horner_&_Afro-Caucasoids
    Code:
    Target: Laredo_simk13
    Distance: 0.4460% / 0.00446049
    40.0	Native_American
    19.8	S_Eastern_Spain
    19.2	N_Eastern_Spain
    9.4	Northern_Spain
    8.2	Sephardic_Jew
    2.4	SSA
    1.0	Horner_&_Afro-Caucasoids
    Target: Laredo_simk13
    Distance: 0.1770% / 0.00176971
    40.0 Amerindian
    24.4 Iberia_IA
    13.8 France_IA
    8.2 IA_&_BA_Greeks
    5.4 North_Africa_IA_&_BA
    5.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    3.0 SSA


    Pretty average results for a mexican
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    [QUOTE=Jingle [/QUOTE]


    How accurate are they really? I mean I don't want to come more "OWD" Than what I already am, but I heard the real g25 changes.

    I personally don't think I'm 40% amerindian since all calculators are giving me no less than 34 and no more 36%

    40% are probably counting the Asian noises.

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    Well, i would say simulated g25 its like 80% Confiable, the mine eated part of my native just


    Target: Jinglebell_simulatedk36
    Distance: 1.2821% / 0.01282085
    39.0 Yoruba
    28.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.4 WHG
    6.0 Dinka
    3.8 MAR_Taforalt
    2.8 Levant_PPNB
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: JingleBell_scaled
    Distance: 2.1429% / 0.02142871
    42.0 Yoruba
    28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.2 WHG
    3.2 ETH_4500BP
    3.0 MAR_Taforalt
    2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.4 Levant_PPNB


    The rest looks almost the same exepct that thet shifted me more Levant like, u are prob 35% - 40% Amerindian, that also depends from ur Raw data, so dont get too serious with small standart error or variations
    u also score more central American samples, that have low ANE, so its not prob eating ur Siberian-like from ANE (From ur Euro side), so yeah must be just a variation, thats normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    Well, i would say simulated g25 its like 80% Confiable, the mine eated part of my native just


    Target: Jinglebell_simulatedk36
    Distance: 1.2821% / 0.01282085
    39.0 Yoruba
    28.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.4 WHG
    6.0 Dinka
    3.8 MAR_Taforalt
    2.8 Levant_PPNB
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: JingleBell_scaled
    Distance: 2.1429% / 0.02142871
    42.0 Yoruba
    28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.2 WHG
    3.2 ETH_4500BP
    3.0 MAR_Taforalt
    2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.4 Levant_PPNB


    The rest looks almost the same exepct that thet shifted me more Levant like, u are prob 35% - 40% Amerindian, that also depends from ur Raw data, so dont get too serious with small standart error or variations
    u also score more central American samples, that have low ANE, so its not prob eating ur Siberian-like from ANE (From ur Euro side), so yeah must be just a variation, thats normal
    Yeah I think I'm confident to say I'm 59/60% European 38% Native and 3% SSA I think I have a 60% European face and you 52-55%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laredo View Post
    Para ser mestizo tengo mucho de Italia no?
    Sorry i couldn't see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    First, just say Neolithic Farmers, despite they were from Anatolia they cluster with Sardinians and Corseca
    Also, nop, "true natives" were more like Cro-magnons:

    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon

    "WHG are a mix of EHG and the Upper Paleolithic Bichon from Switzerland" So even WHG werent "pure", theres no such as native europeans or smth like that, every place was and is habited by inumerous peoples and no everytime they share ancestry
    Other UP paleo "Cro Magnons", besides Bichon, were not as removed than WHG groups (Villabruna cluster), but Bichon is more like a mesolithic than UP, it's in the transitional period. What really counts is what is more removed to Afrians and East Asians/Amerindians/Oceanians and WHG are the most of them all.

    It's also clear when tested against Basal eurasian. Surprisingly (or not) even ANE has a higher possible range of basal than ENF for example. Steppe ancestry is a lot more basal than people think, even in that Samara model everyone uses lately. It shows essentially the more WHG anything is mixed with, will come out less basal.


    Basal Eurasian max range % of admixture


    27 Switzerland_HG
    33 SHG
    44 EHG
    46 ENF
    49 Anatolia_N
    52 Steppe EMBA
    52 ANE
    55 Levant_N
    61 Armenia EBA
    68 CHG
    68 Natufian
    70 Iberia BA
    82 Iran neolithic
    97 Iran Hotulllb


    This is from the supplementary stats of the study claiming WHG as a mixture of Bichon and EHG, which is very possible and likely but only with a few percent of EHG. Villbruna's R1b hinted at that already.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...MC5003663/#SD1

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