Study on European criminality based on countries of origin

[Tooting Carmen]

Indonesia, that's more surprising i wouldn't label it as Western. I think those other groups are so low in numbers it's not that relevant. I mean how many Mexicans live in Netherlands really...those odd groups for the place are rather from very peculiar classes who ended up in a country for random reasons than regular more massive immigration. The only Mexican ive ever known in France for example was from a wealthy family who ended up there because they had a business deal with a local company. This kind probably ends up in the stats because they drove above the speed limit a few times and such...

Well keep in mind that, even in the US, I remember Sebastianus Rex once posted a report saying that Hispanics were imprisoned at 'only' 1.3 times the rate of Whites, which sounds a lot, but not when considering how Blacks are imprisoned at five times the rate for Whites. What's more, in a number of states, most notably Florida, Hispanics were actually imprisoned at a lower rate than Whites, which was nowhere the case for Blacks.

EDIT: Here is the report https://www.sentencingproject.org/ap...te-Prisons.pdf

[Petalpusher]

Well keep in mind that, even in the US, I remember Sebastianus Rex once posted a report saying that Hispanics were imprisoned at 'only' 1.3 times the rate of Whites, which sounds a lot, but not when considering how Blacks are imprisoned at five times the rate for Whites. What's more, in a number of states, most notably Florida, Hispanics were actually imprisoned at a lower rate than Whites, which was nowhere the case for Blacks.

EDIT: Here is the report https://www.sentencingproject.org/ap...te-Prisons.pdf

It puts things a bit more in perspective if even in the US, Blacks are "only" at x5. Here Maghrebis and some other SSA countries are rather close to x10, to even x15 on some particular type of crimes. However knowing how loose the definition of "white" is in the US on administration papers, id be cautious with that. Aren't most MENA considered whites too?

[Tooting Carmen]

It puts things a bit more in perspective if even in the US, Blacks are "only" at x5. Here Maghrebis and some other SSA countries are rather close to x10, to even x15 on some particular type of crimes. However knowing how loose the definition of "white" is in the US on administration papers, id be cautious with that. Aren't most MENA considered whites too?

Yes, but (1) MENAs per capita aren't that numerous in the US and (2) paradoxically, Hispanic Whites are treated separately in statistics from non-Hispanic Whites. Anyway, I know that Blacks tend to have higher crime rates everywhere, but my main point was about Hispanics, since they are seen as a high crime group too. However, once you factor in the disparities of education, income and immigration status, you'd probably find that the difference between the White and Hispanic crime/incarceration rates is not that big at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

Non-whites make up 18% of the overall population of England and Wales but 27% of the adult prison population. Specifically, Blacks make up 13% of the adult prison population, despite being merely 4% of the overall population. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...in-the-UK-2023

[Adrianv2]

Non-whites make up 18% of the overall population of England and Wales but 27% of the adult prison population. Specifically, Blacks make up 13% of the adult prison population, despite being merely 4% of the overall population. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?379959-The Criminal-justice-system-statistics-about-race-ethnicity-in-the-UK-2023

They should make up 0% of the population. So why are any of them there to begin with?

[Petalpusher]

Non-whites make up 18% of the overall population of England and Wales but 27% of the adult prison population. Specifically, Blacks make up 13% of the adult prison population, despite being merely 4% of the overall population. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...in-the-UK-2023

As we ve noticed, blacks are likely more integrated in UK than anywhere else in the world. That's still x3 factoring the population but in comparison of everywhere else with unbelievable disproportions in crimes, it's tame. Even from my experience in England, their level of assimilation and interaction in the population was extremely surprising. The only other country that i can see some similarity with was the Netherlands, still nowhere close to England.

Im wondering if the higher proportion of immigration from oversea colonial origin isn't acting as its own integration factory. It used to be the case a bit in France in the past i believe, but then quickly got overrun by more recent immigration.

[Vk000]

I just had to ask for it i guess... Netherlands:




Everything sexual assault related, as well violent theft: Antilles is on top




Drug related



At the same socio-economic statuts





As usual, those stats are publicly available

https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/81959NED/table

No Albanians ? But I see our population there isn't that large to begin with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albani...he_Netherlands

Around 20k - 60k is possible

[Tooting Carmen]

As we ve noticed, blacks are likely more integrated in UK than anywhere else in the world. That's still x3 factoring the population but in comparison of everywhere else with unbelievable disproportions in crimes, it's tame. Even from my experience in England, their level of assimilation and interaction in the population was extremely surprising. The only other country that i can see some similarity with was the Netherlands, still nowhere close to England.

Im wondering if the higher proportion of immigration from oversea colonial origin isn't acting as its own integration factory. It used to be the case a bit in France in the past i believe, but then quickly got overrun by more recent immigration.

Most Caribbean immigration ended in the 1960's, when the Immigration Acts in 1961 and 63 put an end to freedom of movement for Commonwealth citizens. Since then, most Black immigration has been from African countries, and the only mass migration from the Caribbean in recent years was in the late 90's when lots of people came here from Montserrat when its volcano erupted.

[Petalpusher]

Most Caribbean immigration ended in the 1960's, when the Immigration Acts in 1961 and 63 put an end to freedom of movement for Commonwealth citizens. Since then, most Black immigration has been from African countries, and the only mass migration from the Caribbean in recent years was in the late 90's when lots of people came here from Montserrat when its volcano erupted.

I don't remember the proportion of those in the overall population but it must be higher than in France (i don't think it's even 1/10, possibly much lower now)

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't remember the proportion of those in the overall population but it must be higher than in France (i don't think it's even 1/10, possibly much lower now)

In fact, one of my French teachers at secondary school was from Martinique.