Why is this forum so reductive about European ancestry in the US?

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Here is the catch guys, just for you to not take OP seriously. It's a obsessive troll that probably never left his basement and wants to dissacociate white Americans from their British heritage because to him Brits are "evil, hideous and uninteresting" while other Euro ancestries are far more "cool", sexy and desireable.

White Americans don’t have “British heritage”. British people and other Europeans want them to. And I didn’t say I thought of British people that way, but foreign Europeans like you hold those biases, typically, and desperately want to associate Americans with British people for that reason. The idea that the US is the primary location of the Croatian diaspora, for example, makes you insecure.

Well, nobody cares for your feelings you deranged troll.

Emotional attack.

Main ancestry in white Americans is British Isles without any doubt and confirmed by genetic studies. Nobody cares that you and many other Americans consider that uninteresting thus like to larp as anything else, often just identifying with more recent minor ancestry you got from other European groups.

I posted genetic studies above. It’s German, no doubt, and you don’t get to insist it’s not just because you have an agenda to push.

You have a desire to homogenize America and pretend it received minimal immigration from Europe because you like to call Americans ugly, like you do British people. Not gonna stand for your silly bigotry. Americans don’t “LARP” as other ethnicities, or find British ancestry “uninteresting” - those are deranged, emotional excuses to justify your obnoxious and insecure attempt to erase American’s European ancestry.

Tame your complexes as most Europeans find this type of larping incredibly pathetic, and move on.

Your accusations of LARPing are you projecting your insecurities about Americans, and it ironically highlights what inferior human beings Europeans are to Americans - no one wants to be you guys. You guys think people want to be you. The downside is, most Europeans are inbred and dysgenic at this point, and so lash out at the hybrid vigor US population in this way, and have an agenda to pretend Americans are a homogeneous mass of “British people”, who the continent hates, just to cement their anti-American agendas.

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No, they don't most white Americans don't know shit about the world and want to identify as Irish (thinking Ireland is very important historically and in modern times like Germany and France in the EU and France and England generally).

Anti-American seethe and agenda-pushing, most Americans don’t “want to identify as Irish”, that is a European projection. Rather than admit they’re ignorant about America, they ragefully insist on their silly narratives about American ethnicity to make them feel better about themselves

Americans are uneducated (I don't care what college degrees they hold) and obsessed with money . An Ireland/Netherlands tech tax haven and money laundering corporate cartel has exacerbated this. Also, 23andme and AncestryDNA are run by babbling American religious fruitcakes

Europeans are generally uneducated and on top of that you call Americans uneducated and ragefully insult Americans all over the Internet in an effort to project this.

Neither are run by “religious” Americans, and calling them “fruitcakes” - what? How incoherent are you? You’re so mad that Americans aren’t inbred like British people and you can’t apply the same insults to Americans as you do to them, it’s hilarious to see. Europeans are fruits. They are gay, inbred losers. And don’t accuse me of trolling, because you opened the floodgates by insulting us first.

have an 'Irish' or hiberno-Irish name and and I cluster with the English/Dutch

Yes, as a population made up heavily of Northern Europeans would…

^that is real science unlike 23andme and ancestrydna but Americans are lackluster at science and bad at maths. Americans resent English colonization so much that Americans pick and choose what part of their ancestry to celebrate.

This is your personal ancestral data, and Americans, according to TIMMS, are better at science and math than the European population. Why do you have an American flag in your bio, yet you’re using British spelling?

Ah, a deranged, resentful Anglophile. Americans don’t resent any aspect of Europe, but European people are visibly resentful of America, so project that. The reality is, Europeans are resentful of the fact that the US was colonized by multiple European powers, has a racially diverse population, and received the vast majority of immigrants from every European country, and so fight to obscure those basic facts. It’s pathetic.

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My guess is OP isn't quite white. Using terms like "hybrid vigor" among other things. Seems like he could be an insecure part colored boy.

[Jana]

My guess is OP isn't quite white. Using terms like "hybrid vigor" among other things. Seems like he could be an insecure part colored boy.

He is that Indian troll Borealis (who's been living in Arizona), I'm quite sure.

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He is that Indian troll Borealis (who's been living in Arizona), I'm quite sure.

If you're going to make false accusations, tell me...

Can these American students pass as British? What phenotypes do you recognize here? Be honest:

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Reviving my thread, because on the r/23andme subreddit, I've observed the following:

- A graph of the "average genetic makeup" in each country (sample of 7), that claims Americans have less French and German ancestry than Canadians, the same amount of Italian ancestry as Mexicans, and less Spanish and Portuguese ancestry than Canadians, all while having a lot more British and Irish ancestry than Canadians (proportionally)

- People claiming "no American will have more than 25% Italian/German ancestry" (obviously false)

- "Eastern European ancestry is extremely rare in the USA" (the USA has the largest slavic diaspora in the world)

- "Americans with Scandinavian ancestry only get their Scandinavian ancestry from Scottish immigrants" (LAUGHABLY false)

- "Americans are overwhelmingly of colonial British descent"

- "Americans are less ethnically diverse, and mix less, than Australians, New Zealanders, and Canadians"

- Maps linked from Twitter that label every American state as being of majority British ancestry (save for a few Midwestern states as "Scandinavian")

They'll claim "the vast majority of Americans posting to r/23andme are majority British and Irish, by far", and a simple scroll through American posts will immediately invalidate that - I've seen tons of Americans with results from every region of Europe, with little or no British and Irish ancestry, with majority Eastern European, Italian, Scandinavian, Finnish, Portuguese ancestry, etc, and it's typically only American posters to the subreddit (outside of the same regions of Europe) who ever get regions in Romania, the Czech Republic, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, etc...there are of course racially mixed Americans all over that board.

They seem to like projecting the cherry-picked results of some rural southerners onto the rest of the country, which makes me think more about what biases are at play here that make this strain of historic and cultural denialism in regards to the USA specifically so potent. Again, I'm thinkin it's so strong for various reasons:

- Highly "mixed" societies, in any sense, provoke comparisons to Latin America (ironic, because these countries are more homogeneous than the US, including in their European heritage), and this makes many uncomfortable

- British chauvinists and Anglophiles are anti-American and obviously nationalistic, and these people tend to get irrationally irritated at having to admit that the powerful country who's culture they want to take credit for received significant contribution from populations all across Europe

- Commonwealth dwellers are high on themselves, and love to liken themselves to (and put themselves above) America in terms of "diversity". In other contexts, other countries want to compete with the US in terms of "diversity", and so construct fake graphs using cherry-picked 23andme results to promote a false reality

- Biases for and against various cultures play a role. Because there's significant bias against American people and culture, any association of Americans with the "sexy Italians", or the "fashionable French", or the "oppressed/masculine Slavs/Central Europeans", doesn't flatter the culture of anti-American exceptionalism/negativism, only associations with "ugly, inbred, imperialist British people" do

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People need to answer for this: what's up with this line of talk when it comes to American heritage, and American heritage only? Why do many people feel the need to lie and alter data to reflect this kind of weird British hegemony in the US?

Also, why do people only throw a fit when British or related ancestry decreases in self-reported American surveys, but not when every other group does as well?