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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    As it happens this has been the smoking gun in dispelling the ethnic estimates of recent US censuses, and proving that White Americans are more British (or at least Anglo-Celtic) than anything else. The 23andme-based academic paper on US genetic origins showed that the British & Irish genetic category dwarfs all others in frequency for Americans identifying as White.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...2/009340-1.pdf

    As i read a few posts in the thread yesterday, i google searched those maps i thought i had seen before, and it's indeed quite clear.

    Even the regions with the least amount of British & Irish might have more of it than the regions with the highest French & German, as the scale is different (lightest red for B&I : 25% and darkest red for F&G : 16%), so maybe bare a few exceptions the British & Irish dominates by large everywhere.

    And we know it's very decently accurate to sort out those two. If anything Eastern Brits tend to get a bit of F&G even if they don't have recent ancestry from there



    Yet you should get a lot of it if you are actually German, also contrary to what people think, not only West German. South, North and even in Netherlands + Denmark. It only begins to fade in East Germany, as it does in SW France (and Paris, for different reasons, Jews)

    Last edited by Petalpusher; 03-30-2023 at 08:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hangh View Post
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    Self identified Germans-Americans in 2020: 42.5 million

    Self identified British-Americans in 2020: 37.2 million (people who identified as English/Scottish/Scots-Irish/Welsh/British)

    + There are 20 million Americans who identified as "American", they are mostly British by DNA. The number of Triracials/Mulengeons who identify as "American" on the census is very low in relative terms, you are talking like there are millions of them.

    + There are 40 million Black-Americans who are on average 25% White according to DNA tests. Most of the White admixture they have is British.

    + I'm sure that the millions (more like tens of millions) of the Irish, Italian, Polish, Norwegian, Swedish Americans are not all pure Irish/Italian/Polish etc but often have English/British admixture.

    You talk about how people identified on the census, I talk about what DNA they actually have. More Germans than Brits migrated to USA, but British DNA arrived in USA earlier than did German. I don't take the census at face value, nowadays there are individuals in North America who identify as Native American, even though they're mostly European by DNA.

    German migration to USA peaked in late 19th century (but large amount of them arrived in 20th century too).
    1.5 million Germans settled in USA between 1880 and 1890, but at the time White American population was already 40 million so I don't think their impact on White American DNA was as large as you're claiming.

    British DNA in USA comfortably outweighs German, English vs German DNA is a more interesting discussion, but very hard (if not impossible) to assess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hangh View Post
    This is kind of an empty statement because all Spanish ancestry in the USA of this nature is so thoroughly elided by the Hispanic and Latino category. It's easily way more underreported than English ancestry.
    It isn't. Florida was majority Anglo-Celtic at the time of the War between the States.

    ...It borders the Gulf Coast.
    Sure, somewhere like Tupelo is a gulf coast city.

    Alabama and Mississippi have about an equal amount of gulf coastline. Mississippi whites are much more British than French or Spanish.
    The state is the most Black state in the country by far and has Creole and other New Orleanian elements in it's ethnic makeup.
    Like I said, you don't know Mississippi.

    Uh, no, most of them are or were not considered mixed. The historical pictures are considered mixed now, but weren't catalogued as such then. Johnny Depp, Troian Bellisario, Fiona Apple, are absolutely categorized as "white" and not mixed. Kind of silly of you to say that.
    You don't know who white people in the South consider white either. I'll give you Fiona Apple though, but most of the people you posted like Wentworth Miller are definitely not considered white. In the historical pics you posted a guy whose mother was literally a slave and you're trying to tell me he was considered white in 1860? That's not trace ancestry.

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    I think most american whites are just mix of many european ethnicity like english, german, irish, italian, spanish, french, slavic etc, so its just question of identity. If someone doesnt have any english identity, then i dont see any reason to consider he/she english.

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    50 years from now (or sooner) when the US becomes Brazil 2.0 people here will still discuss if Amurika is still english majority lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    50 years from now (or sooner) when the US becomes Brazil 2.0 people here will still discuss if Amurika is still english majority lol
    No, US receive too much imigrants/year, that will prob looks like a huge amount lot of ethinicities for years, Brazil its pretty homogenous , more than 75% of Population is basically Portuguese + Native + African, just changing the how much of each one, while America have a lot of Anglos, Italians, Latinos, Aframs, Germans etc imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I think most american whites are just mix of many european ethnicity like english, german, irish, italian, spanish, french, slavic etc, so its just question of identity. If someone doesnt have any english identity, then i dont see any reason to consider he/she english.
    But who said people without English identity should be considered English? We were discussing ancestry (origin) of White Americans, not what they should be considered. A person who has British ancestors can identify as American, Mexican, Brazilian or whatever he wants, his ancestry will remain British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    No, US receive too much imigrants/year, that will prob looks like a huge amount lot of ethinicities for years, Brazil its pretty homogenous , more than 75% of Population is basically Portuguese + Native + African, just changing the how much of each one, while America have a lot of Anglos, Italians, Latinos, Aframs, Germans etc imo
    Yup but everyone is mixing between each other. Remember white girls worship dark D nowadays and white guys have become passport bros since they get none back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    Yup but everyone is mixing between each other. Remember white girls worship dark D nowadays and white guys have become passport bros since they get none back home.


    "White" people in society here seem to be walking around with "white" girlfriends/wives, boyfriends/husbands. Maoris with Maoris, Chinese with Chinese. Indians with Indians. Samoans with Samoans. A small minority have partners of a different race.

    You seem to be one of those people who view the world through that weird pornographic sexual lens. A certain amount of your posts seem to support this theory.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    Yup but everyone is mixing between each other. Remember white girls worship dark D nowadays and white guys have become passport bros since they get none back home.
    Oh, i did know that
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