What needs to be done to improve the quality of Western women?

[Universe]

For most of human history the majority of people were farmers, and both sexes worked in the farm to provide for the family - not just men. It was only with the Industrial Revolution when actual housewifes emerged, while men started working in factories (for good enough salaries).

Not rly, in most of human history we had been hunter gatherers (unless you are a "young earth creationist"). But ultimately you are right, because in hunter gatherer societies women worked too.

[Petalpusher]

For most of human history the majority of people were farmers, and both sexes worked in the farm to provide for the family - not just men. It was only with the Industrial Revolution when actual housewifes emerged, while men started working in factories (for good enough salaries).

Women worked in the fields, and might even have been hunting and gathering if necessary since we departed from chimps like 3 millions years ago. All this time they were doing it on the side of taking care of their childrens and other tasks traditionally associated with women. Nobody else would have done it for them anyway. For most history it was such a relentless struggle for survival that is hard to imagine today, to the point even women had to join at times on top of everything else they were doing already.

It doesn't detract the fact, most of the providing was always done by men and by that fact its not undermining women's key role in society. When life is harsh or eventually when shit hits the fan, like it could well be happening soon in our present world, everybody reverts back to traditional gender roles. Simply because it's the most effective way, and gives the best chances of survival as proven in human history. Both genders are highly specialized biologically, mentally and physically for certain things, millions of years of evolution leaded to that. On the other hand of the spectrum, in the most wealthy households, the women almost never work or have somewhat paid "activities" for giggles. It's only the peasants who buy into this whole idea of absolutely putting women to work every day in their life for the benefit of the society because we keep telling them on the radio, making their life as a man a bit easier (and thats why they are peasants to begin with, for believing it)

There s no feminists on a desert island once the plane has crashed or if WW3 is around the corner. It's not gonna be like a netflix series, all the single women in their 30-40's in case of a global war are gonna be on their own and have to be really strong and independent all of a sudden.

[Peterski]

It doesn't detract the fact, most of the providing was always done by men

I don't think so, in hunter-gatherer societies* men hunted and women gathered. Both sources of food were equally important.

In farming societies also women did about as much work in the farm as men did, I really don't think that men did more work.

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*This guy even said that "women did all the work":

On the other hand of the spectrum, in the most wealthy households, the women almost never work or have somewhat paid "activities" for giggles. It's only the peasants who buy into this whole idea of absolutely putting women to work every day in their life for the benefit of the society because we keep telling them on the radio, making their life as a man a bit easier (and thats why they are peasants to begin with, for believing it)

And the peasants were the majority of society.

Also it's not like in knightly households only women didn't work. Rich knights didn't have to work because they had peasants working for them in feudalism times. So not only wives of knights didn't work, rich knights also didn't work (except for fighting wars, of course).

[Peterski]

Women worked in the fields, and might even have been hunting and gathering if necessary

Not rly, in most of human history we had been hunter gatherers

I was talking about human history, not human prehistory. History begins when writing was invented.

In prehistoric hunter-gatherer societies of course men were hunters and women were gatherers.

If you ask me, gathering is a less entertaining exercise than hunting. Hunting can be fun.

There s no feminists on a desert island once the plane has crashed or if WW3 is around the corner. It's not gonna be like a netflix series, all the single women in their 30-40's in case of a global war are gonna be on their own and have to be really strong and independent all of a sudden.

In Israel (and perhaps in some other countries too) women serve in the military just like men do.

[InmostLight]

Wow you explained that so perfectly, thank you.

I was talking about human history, not human prehistory. History begins when writing was invented.

In prehistoric hunter-gatherer societies of course men were hunters and women were gatherers.

If you ask me, gathering is a less entertaining exercise than hunting. Hunting can be fun.



In Israel (and perhaps in some other countries too) women serve in the military just like men do.

I love gathering stuff outside, like finding stuff growing in my lawn and drying it for tea, or making dye. That's where women get the shopping instinct <3

[Peterski]

That's where women get the shopping instinct <3

Makes sense!

[White Swan]

I love gathering stuff outside, like finding stuff growing in my lawn and drying it for tea, or making dye. That's where women get the shopping instinct <3

Love it. I could shop more, but instead my son and I go rockhounding.

[InmostLight]

Makes sense!

It sounds crazy, but when that strong shopping/buying urge arises, I go outside and put sticks in a pile or whatever. My lady brain says, "you go girl, you gathered!", and the desire to shop disappars.

[Armenian Bishop]

Men leaving their wives in the 60s & 70s is probably what triggered the rise of Feminism. Somewhere it took a wrong turn, and went wrong.

[White Swan]

Not rly, in most of human history we had been hunter gatherers (unless you are a "young earth creationist"). But ultimately you are right, because in hunter gatherer societies women worked too.

I'd bet that least 60% of traditional families (or at least the ones I can relate to best) nowadays are doing just that (or working towards it) although people like to make the strawman that we're all just 1950s-style "homemaking" where the women don't do crap and their actual value is dependant on the emergence of various luxurious appliances like dishwashers and clotheswashers that make the women relatively useless and thus depressed, thus where people get the overplayed trope of the "glorified maid" lol. Women have always worked and even made income, from home though or at least the immediate vicinity, where she is most safe and protected in this truly ruthless world, whereas Feminists don't give a crap about women being safe, and are in fact misleading these women who they think they can just Hollywood-style throat kick anyone who threatens them lolol.