Let me introduce you to MENASA and the 'Flavos' Race

[OrthodoxHipster]

According to the racial scheme of 17^th century German historian and geographer, Georgius Hornius, the Japhetites (identified as Scythians, an Iranic ethnic group and Celts) are "white" (albos), the Aethiopians and Chamae are "black" (nigros), and the Indians and Semites are "brownish-yellow" (flavos), while the Jews, following Mishnah Sanhedrin, are exempt from the classification being neither black nor white but "light brown" (buxus, the color of boxwood).^[1]

MENASA, is short for the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia.^[2] Its usage consists of the region of MENA together with South Asia, with Dubai chosen by the United Nations as the data hub for the region.^[3] In some contexts, specifically the Lauder Institute at the University of Pennsylvania, the region is abbreviated as SAMENA instead of the more common MENASA.

[Mortimer]

People have different ideas of "race" so it is indeed true that "race is in parts a social construct and depends on the viewer" well there are differences between humans and human populations but still i say in "part" a social construct similar to the one drop rule, which is clearly a cultural context and a social construct, a dominican explained that dominicans do not consider themselfes neither white nor black because they historically were not subjugated to the one drop rule, but african americans apply the one drop rule.

[Petalpusher]

It's really Southern Eurasia + various levels of SSA or Oceanian. I don't think it makes a lot of sense overall as a group. At least MENA is one comprehensive combination.

[Mortimer]

It's really Southern Eurasia + various levels of SSA or Oceanian. I don't think it makes a lot of sense overall as a group. At least MENA is one comprehensive combination.

It makes sense if we consider Islam as dominant unifying factor, in the whole region from northafrica to southasia islam is the dominant religion.

[Petalpusher]

It makes sense if we consider Islam as dominant unifying factor, in the whole region from northafrica to southasia islam is the dominant religion.

I thought we were talking about race. While South Asians and MENA can look superficially alike in some instances, the formers are quite different racially speaking. More Eastern Eurasians and more Oceanians, so that's 2 completely different groups than the baseline makeup of say North Africans.

[Mortimer]

I thought we were talking about race. While South Asians and MENA can look superficially alike in some instances, the formers are quite different racially speaking.

I guess when speaking about "race" we have to take into account also culture, religion etc. Some people may identify rather as "muslim" then as any racial group. Even White Nationalists acknowledge culture and behaviour as part of race, that is why they do typically consider muslims not to be compatible with being white like some albanians for example.

[Petalpusher]

I guess when speaking about "race" we have to take into account also culture, religion etc. Some people may identify rather as "muslim" then as any racial group. Even White Nationalists acknowledge culture and behaviour as part of race, that is why they do typically consider muslims not to be compatible with being white like some albanians for example.

If you want to abide into the so called cultural construct of race Morti yes, but if we stick to the ground truth it's just too big and diverse of a grouping. It spans over something like half of humanity that MENASA, while Europe, excluding non Western Russians is tiny spec in comparison, or in the same way East Asia proper (without SEA) is as well.

[Mortimer]

If you want to abide into the so called cultural construct of race Morti yes, but if we stick to the ground truth it's just too big and diverse of a grouping. It spans over something like half of humanity that MENASA, while Europe, excluding non Western Russians is tiny spec in comparison, or in the same way East Asia proper (without SEA) is as well.

Im just playing devils advocate that under some context it could make sense but i do not abide to it

[Abdelnour]

Interesting theory, but this is way too far flung and with nothing binds them other than religion, that Morti has mentioned. According to the map, Armenians are similar to Tamils than their neighbors.

Also skin complexion is much more varied in these regions, not only in darkness but in tone(though olive or yellowish skin tones does dominate, like you mention).

Maybe Iran Neolithic genetic components is what binds them together if we were to propose this "MENASA" idea.

[OrthodoxHipster]

I thought we were talking about race. While South Asians and MENA can look superficially alike in some instances, the formers are quite different racially speaking. More Eastern Eurasians and more Oceanians, so that's 2 completely different groups than the baseline makeup of say North Africans.

These "superficial", phenotypic, physical, and morphological similarities are the basis for any race, imo. I'm less concerned with genotypic comparisons and more so with observable, yet subjective racial groupings that give us a better understanding of different peoples.

I believe the Flavo race is pragmatic because it unites a large group of peoples with geographically similar affinities stretching beyond the Mediterranean / Orient. Likewise, these people all generally possess dark hair with light to medium brown skin and long-heads, high foreheads, almond-shaped eyes, and fuller lips.

Currently in the U.S., Indians / South Asians are lumped in with the "Asian" race (i.e. Mongoloids), despite having more physical characteristics in common with their neighbors to the West.