Who is more European looking, Afghans or Gypsies?

[Odelia]

Which group generally has more people that can pass in European, Afghans or Romani people? Let's settle this debate. I'd personally vote for Afghans.

[Mortimer]

Most people never met a Afghan or a Gypsy, or only a few. Many Gypsies go unnoticed if they are not dressed like gypsies, or straight up coming to your house to ask for money and are dressed like gypsies. So I doubt many people know that, even eastern europeans who are familiar with gypsies, are not familiar with Afghans (Im for example not). + There is alot of cherrypicking like saying "but he is not a real afghan, he is a paki" or "he is not a real gypsy he is european admixed", i dont know by which criteria we identify gypsies, and afghans, and how we compare by which measurements? Only balkan gypsies or also romanichal, romanisael, manouche, sinti, gabor etc.? Only "pure" pashtuns are also tajiks, eastern kabul, hazaras etc.?

[Blondie]

Gypsies look more european in general.

[Smeagol]

Gypos in general, because they have European ancestry. Some of them also look pure Indian though.

[Petalpusher]

Roma groups are diverse, on average they have more genuine and recent european ancestry. Afghans might have less ancient south Asian/Indian (ASI) than the least european admixed roma groups though.

[Tooting Carmen]

Neither especially. Those who pass as European are probably no more than 5-10% in either group.

[Mortimer]

Neither especially. Those who pass as European are probably no more than 5-10% in either group.

For Eastern European Gypsies that might be true, but not for "native" Western European Gypsies. Like Romanichal, Romaniseal, Sinti, Manouche, etc. Also there are many ocassionally individuals who pass as European in every group. Every second one, depends also how you define European, if it is like Prince Harry then probably not even 1% pass as European.

[Avicenna]

Afghans are more Caucasian and sharper featured than gypsies who look like east Meds / pontids mixed with dravidians. When we say European , are we considering groups like southern italians, cypriots as European or is it the blue eyed light haired types ?

Certain sense of bias also plays a part , for instance , Afghanistan is full of people with traditional clothing , heavy beards and ungroomed hair . Combine all of this with an already Mediterranean/ Iranid / Nordic features and they will look exotic for Europe , even though they could pass in difftent circumstances.

Likewise for Romani people , even a slight hint of someone having gypsy background will make people group then outside of Europe , even though they initially thought they were some type of European .

This question can be posed with any non euro group like Syrians for example , people assume every Syrian is a Mediterranean greek looking when in reality Alot of them are exotic for Europe . Same applies for Iraq or Palestine, or Iran etc

Northwest Syria



Unlike other past members , I don't cherrypick light features people from .t ethnicity, rather post videos so you can see for yourself .

This is what your typical Afghans look like right now in Afghanistan







A well groomed , euro influenced gypsy could pass better in Europe than those people ^

[Oliver109]

Which group generally has more people that can pass in European, Afghans or Romani people? Let's settle this debate. I'd personally vote for Afghans.

Afghans, some actually look completely Spanish or even British but how many gypsies do?

[Mortimer]

Afghans are more Caucasian and sharper featured than gypsies who look like east Meds / pontids mixed with dravidians. When we say European , are we considering groups like southern italians, cypriots as European or is it the blue eyed light haired types ?

We should run that with Onge, Iran Neolithic Steppe etc. references of the various Roma averages, like Roma_Balkan, Roma_Madrid, Roma Barcelona etc. which exist and then compare to the various afghan or pashtun averages, i guess there is not much difference, maybe slightly that pashtuns are less AASI but there are eastern pakistani pashtuns who would be on par with the most AASI gypsies, and there are also lesser AASI gypsies of course, depends on group. That being said I do not think afghans look more caucasian or sharper featured, maybe more dolicephalic more irano-afghan etc. That is only one sub-type of caucasian, what is with caucasian like berid or east baltid etc.? or even alpinid and borreby they are not sharp featured and more brachy etc.

But I respect that you post videos... I will post videos too.... from Serbia mostly, but I could post from Austria too (Sinti in Austria are lighter skinned and more euro looking then roma in Serbia)

Bosnia/Serbia




My birth town in Serbia Novi Becej



Austria