which countries you consider most and least "Balkan" discussion thread.

[Jana]

This is what comes to mind when I think Balkan.

That's Ottoman leftover food from Bosnia. Which again proves Balkans means oriental, or everything that was long time under Ottoman boot.

[rothaer]

(...) humane emphaty and solidarity which you do not have (...)

I can well accept that you think and say so but I consider that not applicable and I think that you do misinterpret me.

When I deny some people a treatment that many other people consider a sign of empathy then I do not do that because I feel no empathy. I do it because I'm more thoughtful than many other people. When it comes to "refugees welcome" I also feel empathy for all compatriots that in line with the statistical expectation will be killed and harmed by the oriental refugees and their offspring the next 50 years. It's my empathy for them that weights more and makes me say "refugees not welcome".

To just react on what is in front of you and not thinking of the consequences is not a sign of empathy but of mental limitation.

This event that lately happened close to where two children and a grandchild of mine live was in general totally clear already in 2015 to every thoughtful individual:

https://www.t-online.de/region/hambu...r-verlegt.html

[Varda]

It's almost karma as Dušan and Varda were always spamming about rejection of BiH Croats in Croatia, but now experienced exactly that from Serbian Serb "countryman"

Dušan and me never spat on southern or other Serbs outside of our regions.

[Thracian]

Austria,Slovenia, Croatia, Moldova and Hungary are not Balkan.

Geographically Turkey is just partially Balkan, yet there are millions of Balkan people (included Balkan Turks) live in Turkey. Claiming Turkey has nothing to do with Balkans is bullshit. Even the number of total pop of Muslim Serbs, Pomaks, Albanians, and others is bigger than many countries.

In my opinion, Bulgaria, Serbia and N. Macedonia are the heart of the Balkans.

Montenegro, Albania, BIH are followers.

Greece is of course Balkan but also she has her character. The same goes for Romania.

Briefly,

1. Bulgaria, Serbia, N.Macedonia
2. Albania, BIH, Montenegro
3. Greece and Romania.
4. Turkey
5. Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Moldova and Hungary

[Mingle]

I don't why "only Ottoman influenced architecture = Balkan" (based on comments in this post). Why can't the other architectures present also count as Balkan? There are multiple architectural styles in the Balkans, not only Ottoman.

[Mingle]

Best way to analyze this is using a simple points system. Since the Balkans is most associated with the Ottomans, Yugoslavia/communism, and Byzantium; I'll use them. Nobody will disagree that Ottomans had the most impact (they're the reason the term exists), so giving that category the most points. Yugoslavia is very recent and Byzantium is very distant, so I'm going to put Yugoslavia ahead of it (even though Byzantium may have had more impact), especially since the term "Balkans" is much more associated with South Slavs than Orthodoxy nowadays.

Ottoman = 5 points (4.5 points if Ottoman vassal)
Yugoslavia = 4 points (Iron Curtain = 3.5 points)
Byzantium = 3 points

Whoever gets the most points wins.

So this would make North Macedonia the most Balkan and Slovenia the least.

[Jana]

Best way to analyze this is using a simple points system. Since the Balkans is most associated with the Ottomans, Yugoslavia/communism, and Byzantium; I'll use them. Nobody will disagree that Ottomans had the most impact (they're the reason the term exists), so giving that category the most points. Yugoslavia is very recent and Byzantium is very distant, so I'm going to put Yugoslavia ahead of it (even though Byzantium may have had more impact), especially since the term "Balkans" is much more associated with South Slavs than Orthodoxy nowadays.

Ottoman = 5 points (4.5 points if Ottoman vassal)
Yugoslavia = 4 points (Iron Curtain = 3.5 points)
Byzantium = 3 points

Whoever gets the most points wins.

So this would make North Macedonia the most Balkan and Slovenia the least.

Show us your ranking (and points) please.

[rothaer]

Best way to analyze this is using a simple points system. Since the Balkans is most associated with the Ottomans, Yugoslavia/communism, and Byzantium; I'll use them. Nobody will disagree that Ottomans had the most impact (they're the reason the term exists), so giving that category the most points. Yugoslavia is very recent and Byzantium is very distant, so I'm going to put Yugoslavia ahead of it (even though Byzantium may have had more impact), especially since the term "Balkans" is much more associated with South Slavs than Orthodoxy nowadays.

Ottoman = 5 points (4.5 points if Ottoman vassal)
Yugoslavia = 4 points (Iron Curtain = 3.5 points)
Byzantium = 3 points

Whoever gets the most points wins.

So this would make North Macedonia the most Balkan and Slovenia the least.

A very good approach.

It's somewhat annoying that I didn't have and present that idea.

[Varda]

In Albania outside of the coast the most beautiful place is probably Gjirokastër. I passed through Gjirokastër last summer, look really nice. I think it has great tourist potential. In Albania i noticed palm trees everywhere in the interior except the far north (Kukës and around).

Town and surrounding look better live than on this video.

[Jana]

In Albania outside of the coast the most beautiful place is probably Gjirokastër. I passed through Gjirokastër last summer, look really nice. I think it has great tourist potential. In Albania i noticed palm trees everywhere in the interior except the far north (Kukës and around).

Town and surrounding look better live than on this video.

Looks beautiful. I'd like to visit Albania.

Does interior of Albania has such mild climate (except mountains obviously)? Interesting, I didn't know that.

It's like Herzegovina or what?