which countries you consider most and least "Balkan" discussion thread.

[Varda]

Romania being more Balkan than Western Bosnia seems paradox. I'd notably lower points for Ottoman vasalls. Maybe even down to one point or zero. Being an Ottoman vasall essentially kept Ottoman influence out.

Most of the western Bosnia was integral part of Ottoman empire for about 350 years (1527/30 - 1878), and smaller most western part called Cazinska Krajina little less than 300 years (1592-1878). On the other hand except Banat which was integral part of Ottoman empire from 1552. to 1718, other parts of Romania were vassals, some parts several centuries (some quite less) but still vassals and not under the direct Ottoman rule. Western Bosnia unlike Romania has Muslim population and mosques today.

[ioas12]

Most of the western Bosnia was integral part of Ottoman empire for about 350 years (1527/30 - 1878), and smaller most western part called Cazinska Krajina little less than 300 years (1592-1878). On the other hand except Banat which was integral part of Ottoman empire from 1552. to 1718, other parts of Romania were vassals, some part several centuries (some quite less) but still vassals and under the direct Ottoman rule. Western Bosnia unlike Romania has Muslim population and mosques today.

technically Romania did have a Muslim population but only in Doburja and that one island in the Danube that sank. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Kaleh

[blueeyes]

[Occiput in Starlight]

I'd put Turkey above Slovenia, it seems a bit low given how impactful the Ottomans were. But mostly agree otherwise.

I privileged those three things I mentioned but also took other considerations into account.

For me, the Balkanic does not equal influences upon SE Europe, more than it equals SE Europe.

I cannot rank a country in Anatolia higher than a country with Slovenia's location.

I am ranking Turkey after all and not East Thrace.

[Varda]

technically Romania did have a Muslim population but only in Doburja and that one island in the Danube that sank

I know. But those are small peaces of Romania, and in Dobruja Muslims today are tinny minority. In western Bosnia in 1991. Serbs were 45%, Muslims/Bosniaks 42%, Croatians 7%, and rest were mostly declared Yugoslavs (among them probably Serbs were most numerous).

On Ada Kaleh Serbian insurgents were liquidated Dahije in 1804 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kučuk-Alija
Btw 3 of 4 Dahije were islamized Serbs, and one was most likely Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahije

Yea, Ada Kaleh stayed Turkish enclave on Danube until 1971.

[oszkar07]

Austria,Slovenia, Croatia, Moldova and Hungary are not Balkan.

Geographically Turkey is just partially Balkan, yet there are millions of Balkan people (included Balkan Turks) live in Turkey. Claiming Turkey has nothing to do with Balkans is bullshit. Even the number of total pop of Muslim Serbs, Pomaks, Albanians, and others is bigger than many countries.

In my opinion, Bulgaria, Serbia and N. Macedonia are the heart of the Balkans.

Montenegro, Albania, BIH are followers.

Greece is of course Balkan but also she has her character. The same goes for Romania.

Briefly,

1. Bulgaria, Serbia, N.Macedonia
2. Albania, BIH, Montenegro
3. Greece and Romania.
4. Turkey
5. Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Moldova and Hungary

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Totally agree.

[ioas12]

I know. But those are small peaces of Romania, and in Dobruja Muslims today are tinny minority. In western Bosnia in 1991. Serbs were 45%, Muslims/Bosniaks 42%, Croatians 7%, and rest were mostly declared Yugoslavs (among them probably Serbs were most numerous).

On Ada Kaleh Serbian insurgents were liquidated Dahije in 1804 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kučuk-Alija
Btw 3 of 4 Dahije were islamized Serbs, and one was most likely Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahije

Yea, Ada Kaleh stayed Turkish enclave on Danube until 1971.

isn't Doburja bigger then Montenegro ? But yeah I agree with you

[Mingle]

Romania being more Balkan than Western Bosnia seems paradox. I'd notably lower points for Ottoman vasalls. Maybe even down to one point or zero. Being an Ottoman vasall essentially kept Ottoman influence out.

It had Ottoman influence though, and Romania is almost always seen as Balkan despite being north of the Sava-Danube cause of their Ottoman influence. They have Turkish words in their language like the rest of the Balkans. But I agree with putting it below Western Bosnia.

[Jana]

I connect Romania with Balkan due to their origins rather than Ottoman input (I don't connect Romania with much of that).

They are genetically Balkan.

But Romania is located outside of Balkans, and has strong eastern European influence, also Latin and central European one.

So I see it as more non Balkan than Balkan.

And have no idea in which region to put it.

[Varda]

In former Yugoslavia and around one of the dish with Ottoman root are Ćevapi (plural), name came from kebab) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ćevapi
Most famous are banjalučki (from Banja Luka), travnički (from Travnik), sarajevski (from Sarajevo) and leskovački (from Leskovac). Travnik is in Bosnia as Banja Luka and Sarajevo, and Leskovac is in southern Serbia. These ćevapi that i mentioned are different from each other by composition, shape and size. The biggest rivalry is between Sarajevo and Banja Luka, whose ćevapi are better.

I remember once when i was a kid, i was in Belgrade with parents in one ćevabdžinica (a place where ćevapi are made and sold). Owner was there, he spoke with some man on the side. He had typical Bosnian accent, and i realized he is Bosniak/Muslim because they partly spoke about religion and he mentioned Islam as his religion. In Belgrade there are also owners of that shops who are Bosnian Serbs, mostly from Sarajevo.
Honor to all regions/countries which carry ćevapi, but it is mostly Bosnian tradition.