Determinants of my ethnic group (Turkish)

[reboun]

I believe every ethnic group has its own determinants in terms of someone's being a member of that ethnic group. In my case, being Turkish is determined by sharing a cultural and historical background with the other Turkish people and being fluent in Turkish language, nothing more or less. In other words, if you are fluent in Turkish language, identify as Turkish and if you dignify Turkish values, people will going to consider you as fully Turkish no matter where you, your parents, your grandparents were born or how you look.

What about you ethnicity? What are the determinants of you ethnic group?

[Aldaris]

Ok. So if I, a half Basque, half Czech would have somehow been born in Turkey, be fluent in the Turkish language, identify as Turkish and dignify Turkish values, would I be taken for a Turk by other Turks?

The historical background with other Turkish people would still not exist.

Those two definitions of yours are not equivalent.

[Mortimer]

I cannot speak for everyone because different people maybe have different determinants. But for me if you have gypsy ancestors and identity, you are. It doesnt matter how you look to me. You could be a afro-gypsy to me too, i wouldnt say you are not a gypsy.

ayo (singer) is a afro-gypsy

https://www.essence.com/celebrity/ayo-interview/

Born Joy Olasunmibo Ogunmakin in Frenchen (a small town in western Germany), Ayọ lived only briefly in Nigeria as a child. As the daughter of a Nigerian DJ and a Romani gypsy,

[reboun]

Ok. So if I, a half Basque, half Czech would have somehow been born in Turkey, be fluent in the Turkish language, identify as Turkish and dignify Turkish values, would I be taken for a Turk by other Turks?

Yes, you would. You would be taken for a Turk by the other Turks in this case, even if you were not born in Turkey.

The historical background with other Turkish people would still not exist.

Those two definitions of yours are not equivalent.

Actually, what I meant by sharing a historical background is: You accept Turkish history as your history. In other words, considering Mustafa Kemal Atatürk as your leader, considering Turkish war of independence as yours and etc.

[Tsuin]

In my case (Mexican American), when a mexican american has a kid with someone of a different race, we typically see the child as half. As for looks, mexican american phenotypes range from harnizo to fully amerindian, so there isn't really a 'true' mexican look.

[Blondie]

In other words, if you are fluent in Turkish language, identify as Turkish and if you dignify Turkish values, people will going to consider you as fully Turkish no matter where you, your parents, your grandparents were born or how you look.

Thats same in Hungary, except if you dont look white then hungarians will consider you a foreigner.

[Narration]

I mostly agree with you but I don't agree when you say "if you are fluent in Turkish language, identify as Turkish and if you dignify Turkish values, people will going to consider you as fully Turkish no matter where you, your parents, your grandparents were born or how you look."

I really don't think a person who was born in Russia, whose parents are also Russian would ever be taken a "fully Turkish" even if he or she speaks fluent Turkish and claims Turkish culture and history.

As for the looks, ethnic Turks can have variety of looks (every ethnicity has certain degrees of variety in their phenotype, not just Turks) and since you look Dinaro-Med, you are "passable" as an ethnic Turk. However, this is not the case for Afro-Turks, whose ancestors were brought from Sudan to Western Anatolia centuries ago. They have point of complaining because they are being asked where they are originally from time to time:

[Incal]

Same in South America. If you are born here, you are from here.

[reboun]

Same in South America. If you are born here, you are from here.

What about being able to speak the native language fluently?

[reboun]

I mostly agree with you but I don't agree when you say "if you are fluent in Turkish language, identify as Turkish and if you dignify Turkish values, people will going to consider you as fully Turkish no matter where you, your parents, your grandparents were born or how you look."

I really don't think a person who was born in Russia, whose parents are also Russian would ever be taken a "fully Turkish" even if he or she speaks fluent Turkish and claims Turkish culture and history.

As for the looks, ethnic Turks can have variety of looks (every ethnicity has certain degrees of variety in their phenotype, not just Turks) and since you look Dinaro-Med, you are "passable" as an ethnic Turk. However, this is not the case for Afro-Turks, whose ancestors were brought from Sudan to Western Anatolia centuries ago. They have point of complaining because they are being asked where they are originally from time to time:

Asking Afro-Turks where they are originally from is because of ignorance. Of course they are ethnically Turkish since they are culturally Western Anatolian, speak Turkish, considers Turkish history as theirs and identify as Turkish.