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    Don't think it has anything to do with the religion but Eastern European countries in general are less developed compared to the rest of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    And isn't the Renaissance a development that began and ended in the time frame defined as the Middle Ages?
    No, it is not. The Renaissance is a period in European history that comes after the Middle Ages.

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    The Renaissance, as I said earlier, began in the Balkans and Byzantium, but was interrupted by the Ottoman invasion for half a millennium. What survived was carried to the west and there the real development began
    The Renaissance did not begin in the Balkans, nor did it originate there. I don't know if it is just ignorance on your part or the typical Balkan propaganda that loves to claim that everything "comes" from the Balkans. Scholars agree that what we know as Renaissance emerged in Italy, in cities like Florence and was later on spread at different passes throughout the rest of Europe. Yes, with the fall of Constantinople some Eastern scholars did roam to Italy and shaped this historical period as well but to say that it was solely due to them or that this historical period in Europe emerged in the Balkans is obviously inaccurate.
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    "Why do Orthodox countries seem to be least developed in Europe?" Religion, or in this case, Orthodoxy has nothing to do with "development" in general, you should elaborate on what kind of development you are talking about, economic, social, financial, educational, scientific, etc. Second, what does faith have to do with the dialectical way of measuring certain degrees of development at one point in time or another? The so-called "development" comes with a lot of burdens at several levels of society, and the consequences of that "development" run much deeper and much longer than just displaying simple GDP/capita numbers, as you probably already know nothing comes free. Third, the countries that share the Orthodox belief are not part of a single block, unless a simple-minded categorized these nations as a block, there are more differences among them rather than similarities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    The majority of Orthodox countries did not experience or went through any form of Renaissance or had a very short-lived period of enlightenment that came in only in the middle of the nineteenth century, almost two to three centuries later than the West and was promptly brought to an end with the World Wars and Communism.
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    No, it is not. The Renaissance is a period in European history that comes after the Middle Ages.
    Renaissance is a transitional period from medieval age to modernity, but it has none of the characteristics of modernity, so in that sense it's closer to medieval times than to modernity. Renaissance is more of a cultural current than a real societal change. The real change was brought by the printing press, which spread literacy and information, even though the pace of change was very slow. It took 400 years to bring the literacy rate in Europe to 50%. This is important because it means that for the first time in history, in several countries, there can be majorities of literate people. This has coincided with the revolutions of 1848, where printed journals played an important role all over Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    You're a literal monkey, you behave like some middle eastern or south american in a Russian body in a standards of this forum. Nobody gives a damn what you like or dislike. Just go to sleep or whatever you want to do, who cares.
    Guy don't be offended. I sometimes drink a lot of vodka, which makes me "South American". I have not been on the forum for a long time, because you are doing a good job here. Nothing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    The renaissance among the Orthodox began even before it was born in the West. In fact, the Western Renaissance is a product of, it was brought there from the East and more precisely from the Balkans and Byzantium after they fell under the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman invasion stopped the development of this region for half a millennium, but failed to destroy the truest Christianity - Orthodoxy
    Nope, the renaissance started in Italy before Costantinople fell and it had uniquely western features.
    It may be that Orthodoxy is the truest Christianity but that may also be the reason why orthodox countries are civilisationally inferior to the more refined and complex societies of the west which maintained something of the classical greek-roman greateness and love for truth and beauty, a kind of vital impetus.
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    Orthodox Christianity is not the truest Christianity, once again this is just the typical "Balkan\Eastern" bias. Every religious sect claims to be the the "truest". Everything from the Orthodox\Eastern sphere is always the best or the origin of everything, like the Renaissance and religion; this only denotes a deep-seated inferiority complex. The reality is that if it were for the Orthodox, Christianity would be an insignificant religion with few followers and almost exclusive to Eastern Europe. It was the Catholic nations who proselytized Christianity on a global scale and made it the largest and most influential religion in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Orthodox Christianity is not the truest Christianity, once again this is just the typical "Balkan\Eastern" bias. Every religious sect claims to be the the "truest". Everything from the Orthodox\Eastern sphere is always the best or the origin of everything, like the Renaissance and religion; this only denotes a deep-seated inferiority complex. The reality is that if it were for the Orthodox, Christianity would be an insignificant religion with few followers and almost exclusive to Eastern Europe. It was the Catholic nations who proselytized Christianity on a global scale and made it the largest and most influential religion in the world.
    The reality is that Vatican seeks for ecumenism and unification, and we Orthodox Christians do not want to have anything with it.
    About what inferiority complex you are talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Orthodox Christianity is not the truest Christianity, once again this is just the typical "Balkan\Eastern" bias. Every religious sect claims to be the the "truest". Everything from the Orthodox\Eastern sphere is always the best or the origin of everything, like the Renaissance and religion; this only denotes a deep-seated inferiority complex. The reality is that if it were for the Orthodox, Christianity would be an insignificant religion with few followers and almost exclusive to Eastern Europe. It was the Catholic nations who proselytized Christianity on a global scale and made it the largest and most influential religion in the world.

    I don't know if it's the 'truest', that's a big claim for anyone or anything to make, but it's the original church. Everything else is a breakaway at some point in history post 11th century A.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    The reality is that Vatican seeks for ecumenism and unification, and we Orthodox Christians do not want to have anything with it.
    About what inferiority complex you are talking about?
    This is irrelevant and in no way detracts from my premise that Christianity is a global religion thanks to Catholics.
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